Ernesto Valverde

[abbbs97]

Guys look at whats being said on r/barca. there are people who truly believe our bottlejobs in the UCL weren't embarrassing :

There are just no good coaches available. And could we please stop with that embarrassing CL bullshit narrative. We played a semi final ffs and we only lost by 1 goal, how is that an embarrassment? That is exactly what 70% of you predicted in a pole before the Liverpool tie ? Spoiled fanbase...

Roma was because we played poorly in both games and because Roma are much much weaker than us. Liverpool wasn't, we tactically outplayed them in the first game and had a good first half in the second game. Unfortunately we need 10 minutes to fall apart mentally which is pathetic. But still that is not an embarrassment, embarrassment is when you lose both games or can't at least score at home like against Juventus.

If you really want to know Milan managed to make that fuckup in a much more spectacular fashion. But the point is that it's not embarrassing to barely lose, embarrassment is when you get absolutely fucking destroyed. If the games were the other way around people would praise us for almost coming back, it's just that this way it hurts emotionally so people overreact.

Delusional people are over there. I wish I could reply to them and tell them to fuck off but I'm banned. And anyone who criticizes EV are instantly downvoted by a lot. I seriously think that the Barca board are paying them to spread this pro-EV propaganda just like some are doing it on here. People cant be this stupid.

 

[Givenchy]

"And could we please stop with that embarrassing CL bullshit narrative. We played a semi final ffs and we only lost by 1 goal, how is that an embarrassment?"

HAHAHA

 

[jamrock]

Is everyone watching the city game, seeing the runs being made behind spurs backline, despite them sitting with 9 men behind the ball.

Do we see the runs? Do we see the players actively trying to find the players that make the runs?.

Do we see a properly coached team.

 

[Devils]

We are miles behind City and Liverpool.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this season we fall clearly behind Spurs, Real, Atletico and Juve as well.

Those teams all have great managers and are building up while Barca is in freefall under this piece of shit.

Prediction: Trophy-less season and for the first time in over a decade Barca will fall out of the top 5 teams in Europe.

Valverde is and will always be a disgusting piece of shit.

 

[jairzinho]

Valverde IMO is very limited tactically. It's bizarre that people can't see that.

He is not an inventive or daring coach and further he does not have a clear attacking philosophy.

He is ultra pragmatic and a safety first type of guy and i would dare say a coward at times.

He doesn't give much tactical instructions before or during a game.

So without a clear defined system he prefers to let the players figure things out themselves and let Messi run the attack.

Obviously without Messi to orchestrate the buildup and approach play we are clueless and the young players especially look lost.

I remember this guy watching Liverpool attacking in waves an waves, waiting until they scored the 3rd before making any change.

The tie was effectively lost at that point. He had no idea what else to do other than sitting in a deep block.


When you listen to other coaches you know what their philosophy is about. Even with guys like Setien who most might not consider to be top tier you learn alot from how they study the game.

You never get that with Valverde. He is rarely ever interviewed nor his tactics studied/examined etc like a Pep or Klopp or others who have distinct styles and know exactly what they are doing, how they want their team setup, roles, responsibilities etc.

It's pretty much 'give the ball to Messi and let him run the attack'. That's it.

 

[DonAK]

No wonder our players love him.

Our season just started and he's already given the players three days of vacation.

 

[Hamzah]

It’s weird because his Bilbao team was fairly dynamic and had a good pressing game.

 

[DonAK]

It’s weird because his Bilbao team was fairly dynamic and had a good pressing game.

Everton were great under Moyes too and he had Fellaini scoring 11 goals and giving 5 assists.

Barcelona just a different level.

Valverde is better than Moyes though, but you get the drift. Just because it worked for Athletic or Olympiacos doesn't mean it'll work for Barca. He doesn't seem to have the personality or the vision to implement anything, create a system, way of playing.

 

[xXKonan]

At Bilbao, he had a small squad and the only signings they will make are basque only players and promote within.

He's only worked with teams that have players who aren't superstars and aren't the most talented but he created a unit to get the best out of them. That is his level, he cannot handle being in a team that has incredible resources with a stacked squad full of players that are far more talented and elite than the teams he ever managed.

His managing style is only good enough for teams with a small budget and smaller expectations.

 

[RIZALDINHO]

we should have fired him after the ridiculous defeat against roma or liverpool after we won the ist legs of both of games 3-0. we are not going to win anything trophies with him as manager

 

[Marshall D Teach]

If this bad start continues, maybe he’ll finally get fired and we can try to salvage the season. One can hope...

 

[abbbs97]

Do you all notice that not one of the Catalan media has placed any blame on this fraud? We have them blaming players and using them as scapegoats when they never even mention the main problem which is Fraudverde. He is so protected, it is ridiculous!! What the fuck do they, aka Barto, see in him!!

 

[BBZ8800]

At Bilbao, he had a small squad and the only signings they will make are basque only players and promote within.

He's only worked with teams that have players who aren't superstars and aren't the most talented but he created a unit to get the best out of them. That is his level, he cannot handle being in a team that has incredible resources with a stacked squad full of players that are far more talented and elite than the teams he ever managed.

His managing style is only good enough for teams with a small budget and smaller expectations.

That could be true for EV.
But also, it needs to be considered for lots of other coaches.

Remember when people wanted Setien and similar.
Or when people say: a coach xx is making a wonders with this 6th placed team.

When you coach a midtable team:
If you will get relegated=you will get sacked
If you will stay in a middle of a table=fine
If you will end better=awesome

There is no pressure, except not to get relegated.

Then you have clubs like Barca where you need to win every match, play beautiful and win all trophies.
A totally different world than Betis and Bilbao.

But also, the same applies for players.
Remember how some players are awesome in a smaller team when a team is built around them (Alexis, Dembele, Halilovic).
But when they come to a bigger club which is not built around them=a different universe.

Then we can come to a conclusion: fine, we should hire some proven and a world class coach.
But then, in the last 30 years, we had only 2 coaches who weren't connected with Barca/Catalonia or at least Spain: Bobby Robson and Tata.
All other coaches had Barca/Dutch/Total football connections: Cruyff, Van Gaal, Rexach, Sera Ferrer, Rijkaard, Pep, Tito, Lucho, Ernesto.
And La Liga connection at least: Antic, who was a coach for 15 years in La liga with Real Madrid, Atletico, Zaragoza and Oviedo.

Why?
1. again, you guys whine about beautiful football.
We are not allowed to play ANY type of a beautiful football.
It needs to be similar to Cruyff's and Pep's way.
A coach needs to play similar to our ways.

So, when you say for example Allegri or Ancelotti.
They can't be our coaches. That's Barca's style...
Allegri don't have La Liga experience. He doesn't have any Barca connections. His teams don't play like Barca.
So, on paper, too high chances for a disaster (or how a world class RB Zambrotta played at Barca).

This is not a post about EV.
But regarding world class coaches, there aren't too many options.
And even if we'll look for a new coach, it will more likely be someone like Valdes, Xavi, Gio, Van Bommel, Koeman, De Boer or a guy from Ajax if he will continue with awesome results.

Anyway:
1. coaches from smaller teams are off
2. foreigners with zero connections with Barca are off

Basically, you have 3-4 big names and bunch of Gios and Van Bommels again.
And some random coaches from Valencia and Betis.

 

[DonAK]

I know that the grass isn't always greener on the other side, but with this squad we cannot get worse in terms of style of play. Even if we do get marginally worse, we'll have Messi bailing us out again in the league.

So please, [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

You have to stop this. I know you don't like a lot of people on this forum and their opinions, but for a long time now you're not even voicing your own opinion, you're just trying to take the contrarian position for the sake of it while you bring down literally everyone else from the players to the canteen lady in the process of defending this guy.

 

[BBZ8800]

I know that the grass isn't always greener on the other side, but with this squad we cannot get worse in terms of style of play. Even if we do get marginally worse, we'll have Messi bailing us out again in the league.

So please, [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

You have to stop this. I know you don't like a lot of people on this forum and their opinions, but for a long time now you're not even voicing your own opinion, you're just trying to take the contrarian position for the sake of it while you bring down literally everyone else from the players to the canteen lady in the process of defending this guy.

I didn't even defend EV in my last post.
I have said: if you sack him tomorrow, if you know Barca's history, then Allegri, Ancelotti and similar won't be coaches.
It will be Setien or some random former Dutch player.
Or if a president will be extremely adventurous, maybe we could get a coach from Ajax.

I don't like posts: everything is better than XX.
Remember when everything was better than Suarez. People were asking for Malcom-false 9 Messi-Dembele for one year.
Everything is better than Raki, then you get Mr-played 50 matches in a career as a midfielder-for a reason-Roberto and Alena.

I am for changes, but before changes, cool down, look at pros and cons and then offer better solutions (there surely are some).
But everyone would be better is not a solution.

So, try to make your list.
But as always, you need to know Barca's history.
The same as how 90% of fans are fans of Pep, La Masia, Joga Bonita.
This is how 90% of board's members will hire only someone with Barca's connections.

So, again, we won't hire Tuchel, Allegri, Ancelotti, Pellegrino etc.
You have Pep, who won't come.
Klopp, who probably won't come.

And former Dutch players Gio, Bommel, Koeman, Cocu etc.
EV is not good, but the only one whom you can get are again these guys from above.
And each of them never coached in La Liga and never coached big names, except Koeman.

So, when you start a conversation, it seems that we have 100 of coaches to pick from.
When you sit down and think about it, you have 2 world class coaches who won't come and 10 of unproven coaches about whom we know more or less nothing.

If I forgot some names who would fit Barca's DNA connections, feel free to write them.
This is not defending EV.
This is an explanation how we are a complicated club and our hands are somewhat tied when we pick coaches.
The same as how Bilbao can buy only Bask players, we can hire only former Barca's/Dutch players.