Ernesto Valverde

[serghei]

The team does not have any automatism regarding building from the back centrally.

Like bear with me a bit.

So, let's say you have two CBs back, and nobody is pressing them. Believe it or not most teams don't press the central defenders, or only do it for a little while. They stick to pressing and marking the players in the next sectors, usually midfielders and attacking midfielders. They are not pressing centre backs simply because they are not dangerous for the defending team, being so far from their goal.

So, what I don't understand in this instance, when centrebacks are not pressed, but our central midfielders are well marked, why don't we instruct Pique and Lenglet to push up and claim any space that the other team is willfully giving in order to double mark the midfielders. If they don't press our CBs, then ask our CBs to travel with the ball until some players from the defending team stop suffocating the midfielders, in order to press the advancing CB. I can't understand why Valverde is basically taking out the CBs from the build-up process by asking them to do standard passes to fullbacks, which 99% lead to nothing good. Allow them to go up in space, whenever possible, so they will draw players from Dortmund, and clear up the clogged central channels for the other players.

 

[Havesaks]

Please leave you fucking clown! Can't believe some people are celebrating this idiot for picking good line ups. Even a 12y old kid can do that. What makes a difference is a good game plan and tactics and not naming 11 players who will start the game. If Reus scored those chances it could have ended up 3-0 or 4-0 and we would now talk about another disaster in Europe.

Well good enough for the board and a whole lot of the socios. Can't believe People just adapt to the rather toxic enviroment on this forum regarding the coach and apprarently just join in the anti valverde circlejerk.

 

[fergus90]

Taking a left-back only to leave him in the stands, so we have to play the right back at left back and a midfielder at right back whilst also having two other midfielders on the bench.

Ernie at his finest.

 

[FCBfan22]

We can't simply win CL again with Leo and Suarez on the pitch anymore. Unless one of them magically decides to defend and not stand up front. There is no way in hell we can win away KO games against high workrate teams, defending with 8 outfield players yet again...

 

[Aryagorn]

Thing is, we play way better with true wingers and that isnt Messi. We should consider Dembele-Messi-griezmann.

Absolutely right - it was painful to watch Rakitic playing in the right flank and realizing it would very much be the same thing with de Jong/Arthur! One of them will have to end up playing RW & that shit if Messi keeps starting as RF on paper. The stupid fuck has to grow a pair and bench Suarez - else, we ain't winning shit

 

[Marshall D Teach]

Barca fans: Valverde is a bad coach

Real Madrid fans: Valverde is a bad coach

Neutral fans: Valverde is a bad coach

Cult of Valverde: ACKCHYUALLY

 

[FCBfan22]

Thing is, we play way better with true wingers and that isnt Messi. We should consider Dembele-Messi-griezmann.

Absolutely agree. Plus Griezmann should change positions with Leo when needed to.

 

[Sailor Mars]

Ernestine has no balls to bench Suarez.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Ernestine has no balls to bench Suarez.

Shame. This team would be better without Suarez.

 

[Havesaks]

Dude, this is our "team game" and tactics. It's been same shite for few years now. It doesn't improve.

But we have also had a lot of chaos in the midfield. Maybe the greatest centermidt partnership with iniesta, xavi and Sergio was exchanged with... Rakitic, paulinho, vidal, Sergio, Denis Suarez, gomes, old iniesta. Thats really bad, like really bad. Some argue Lucho was better but he had a way frwsher Messi, prime Suarez, prime Neymar while he could let the midfield have a supporting role with at the time a frwsh Rakitic and a good-enough version of iniesta. Valverde lost Neymar, had an old Suarez with knee injury through the whole season, a broken toy in Dembele, Coutinho whoch clearly wasnt a good fit and actually counterproductive imo. And also Messi who was No longer in condition to hold the right flank. Arthur did arrive last season, but as stated by valverde, he has information on the players health and condition which we fans dont have, and Arthur had in fact a wprrysome injury-history and he did indeed look flat after 70min in the most part of last season because he 1) tempo in Europe 2) played with turtles.

This season is different with the arrival of frenkie and a ready Arthur. And im sure we Will se a lot of progress in the midfield because we now actually have players who can progress with eachothee. Edit: And so we already have. The midfield looked wellshaped in first half and has looked promising in the last couple of matches. Way better than i bet Any game in the whole of last season. Also Let's not forøget, Suarez and Messi just came back, two of our main goalscorers, and griezmann hasnt even played with Messi a game with Messi before today.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

But we have also had a lot of chaos in the midfield. Maybe the greatest centermidt partnership with iniesta, xavi and Sergio was exchanged with... Rakitic, paulinho, vidal, Sergio, Denis Suarez, gomes, old iniesta. Thats really bad, like really bad. Some argue Lucho was better but he had a way frwsher Messi, prime Suarez, prime Neymar while he could let the midfield have a supporting role with at the time a frwsh Rakitic and a good-enough version of iniesta. Valverde lost Neymar, had an old Suarez with knee injury through the whole season, a broken toy in Dembele, Coutinho whoch clearly wasnt a good fit and actually counterproductive imo. And also Messi who was No longer in condition to hold the right flank. Arthur did arrive last season, but as stated by valverde, he has information on the players health and condition which we fans dont have, and Arthur had in fact a wprrysome injury-history and he did indeed look flat after 70min in the most part of last season because he 1) tempo in Europe 2) played with turtles.

This season is different with the arrival of frenkie and a ready Arthur. And im sure we Will se a lot of progress in the midfield because we now actually have players who can progress with eachother.

I hope you're right, because I have hard time believing Valverde could build some good system.

 

[FCBfan22]

I hope you're right, because I have hard time believing Valverde could build some good system.

This. I hope he proves us wrong ASAP or fails and gets sacked ASAP. There is no middle ground and complacency. February will be here in a heart beat and our strongest XI needs at least 1.5 months together before that.

 

[wisconsincule]

Starting Fati at RW and Griezmann at LW reminds me of when Coutinho came and played RW. This moron is so out of his depth it’s unreal.

I have a bad feeling about this season.

 

[clemente]

1 bil squad

Has a best player in the world

Dortmund shit at defending

0 chances created

 

[DonAK]

We were pretty equal in first half, and were playing without Messi and Suarez in good shape. Our attack Will get tuned more over the next weeks / months. But I think the most vital part Will be to optimize our midfield with Arthur, frenkie and Sergio and our transistion to attack. There is so much to work with those 3 players, that if they find into a good rythm with eachother and with the attack, we have a good shot in chl.

Thing is, we play way better with true wingers and that isnt Messi. We should consider Dembele-Messi-griezmann.

Listen man, there's one thing being optimistic, then there's another thing being delusional. No offence, not trying to be rude either.

You're talking like a change of dynamics in our attack will change anything.

Our play, transition from defence to midfield to the attack is all messed up. There are no clear patterns, clear identity or idea on how we play.

We basically don't play with a system, just 11 individual players out there. The only thing Valverde does is put them out there, unfortunately often in wrong positions too, but that's another discussion.

The point is that you can see a clear pattern or style of play with any top team in the World. Valverde has failed to implement or build anything in two years and so far it's more likely to be the same in his third year.

Go and watch Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Barca in earlier years, Real Madrid in the CL during their 3-peat run, Borussia Dortmund under Klopp, Bayern under Heynckes or even Pep. Atletico under Simeone.

The way they attack, create chances, keep the ball in possession or even defend.

You'll see clear patterns that repeat itself game after game. That's something that's drilled on the training ground.

Do you see anything like that at Barca? The only thing I see is Messi to Alba on an overlap and Alba with a cutback/low cross back to Messi.

That's the only thing you can identify that repeat itself every game. I'm literally challenging you to go and look at many of our games under Valverde and the games of those teams I mentioned. Don't need to be full games, could be extended highlights too.

You'll see and understand what I'm saying.