European Super League

[Morten]

C'mon Morty depay for 5mio and aguero for free....

Aguero is asking for high wages, isnt he?
Alaba is a free transfer too.

 

[Mistyoptic]

Possibly. He certainly gained some points among people. If he did nothing, or worse, would approve of ESL, the public outrage would be even bigger. Could also come his way too.

Basically, he did a political power play.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but given how enormously they miscalculated what the reaction in England would be, it's questionable as to whether they even did their due diligence. Perez and Agnelli were spot on about Spain and Italy - they did nothing - but they were so far off base here. If they just relied on the views of a few blinkered billionaire owners, who themselves have zero concept of what fans in England want, then no wonder it went downhill so quickly. Chelsea, City, and Spurs you would have probably expected better from, given the depth of work those clubs have done in the local community, but Kroenke, Glazer, and Henry don't care and never have.

England isn't unconquerable, but you can't just drop a bomb like this and expect normal service to resume. We have to be won over a long period of time, through more insidious means - which is exactly what said owners have done over the past decade and a half. Going in all guns blazing was an incredibly stupid idea.

 

[Nostradamus]

Honestly 50+1 is not the answer. Even in Germany it is showing cracks with even the likes of Bayern wanting to end/relax it to encourage more investment from outside investors, I don?t see the whole of Europe adopting it. Too late and too impractical, at least on the top level. Billionaires and millionaires etc. will not be forced to give up their control of the clubs they own. 50+1 ensures members of the club, or the local fans mostly have the biggest say in the club matters and the direction the club is heading, which is great. However for this reason it discourages outside investments, as few people want to invest in a club and have little to no say/power in the end. Let?s be honest, the biggest reason why people invest in football clubs is not because they are fans and love the club, it is because they see potential in the club and want to make money off of it. Even the likes of Hopp who truly love their club are being opposed, and we saw the saga at TSV 1860, I don?t think there will be many investors who will be willing to pump money into clubs where they have no control in how things are run etc. if the goal is to prevent further commercializing football, especially football on the lower and grassroot level, it might work. However the gap between the rich (clubs that are already in the hands of billionaires and millionaires and will have to be exempt from 50+1) and the poor (the rest) will be even wider, I think.

Agree, 50% + 1 share is not the solution.

I just want to point out, that Bayern has been vocal to remove it since a long time.

Every club should be able to decide on their own, if they want to sell or not and every club can implement its own safety rules preventing misuse against the will of supporters.

It's the clubs behind Bayern that fear to lose power and voted to keep it with a big majority..Dortmund, Gladbach, Frankfurt & Co...Bayern r almost alone together with Leipzig and very few others.

 

[stb_1]

Thank god this joke of a competition is cancelled.

You are only financially fucked because of your own doing, wasting money on Coutinho, Dembele, Griez, same with Real.. DOWNSIZE everything , don't try and double down and bet your way out, which is what you are doing.

Think La Liga is crap compared to the PL? Give the smaller sides more TV money to compete. Look at how teams like Leicester and West Ham are thriving in England.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Agree, 50% + 1 share is not the solution.

I just want to point out, that Bayern has been vocal to remove it since a long time.

Every club should be able to decide on their own, if they want to sell or not and every club can implement its own safety rules preventing misuse against the will of supporters.

It's the clubs behind Bayern that fear to lose power and voted to keep it with a big majority..Dortmund, Gladbach, Frankfurt & Co...Bayern r almost alone together with Leipzig and very few others.

I agree with the bold part. The government or the FA shouldn't have an one-size-fits-all policy or solution that applies to everybody. Clubs should be given the freedom to decide what is the best for them.

In Dortmund's case, since they are a publicly traded company, I wonder if someone just buys the majority of their shares, would that person essentially be owning the club? What mechanism do they have to prevent that from happening?

 

[JamDav1982]

Thank god this joke of a competition is cancelled.

You are only financially fucked because of your own doing, wasting money on Coutinho, Dembele, Griez, same with Real.. DOWNSIZE everything , don't try and double down and bet your way out, which is what you are doing.

Think La Liga is crap compared to the PL? Give the smaller sides more TV money to compete. Look at how teams like Leicester and West Ham are thriving in England.

Same old shitty argument.

Barca and Real are what attracts the tv contracts. The size of deal almost solely relies on the quality of those teams and players.

Barca/Real giving up 40/50 each a season to take in 100m less than EPL teams in tv money and clubs backed by billionaires does nothing but damage whole of the league.

Giving teams another 4/5m wont help to nearly extent that league would be damaged by poorer Barca and Real.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Thank god this joke of a competition is cancelled.

You are only financially fucked because of your own doing, wasting money on Coutinho, Dembele, Griez, same with Real.. DOWNSIZE everything , don't try and double down and bet your way out, which is what you are doing.

Think La Liga is crap compared to the PL? Give the smaller sides more TV money to compete. Look at how teams like Leicester and West Ham are thriving in England.

It is easier for EPL fans to gloat, considering the clubs at the bottom of the table still get a lot more than most top and middle of the table clubs are getting in other leagues.

I am all for more fair distribution but the league needs to be healthy and competitive enough. Cripple Barca and Real Madrid etc. and make the English clubs more powerful and give them more advantages? Nah.

 

[stb_1]

Same old shitty argument.

Barca and Real are what attracts the tv contracts. The size of deal almost solely relies on the quality of those teams and players.

Barca/Real giving up 40/50 each a season to take in 100m less than EPL teams in tv money and clubs backed by billionaires does nothing but damage whole of the league.

Giving teams another 4/5m wont help to nearly extent that league would be damaged by poorer Barca and Real.

How do you know? works for the PL... Why would a billionaire invest into a La Liga club when their team gets short end of the stick every time? Give more money for position finish but split the rest.

 

[stb_1]

It is easier for EPL fans to gloat, considering the clubs at the bottom of the table still get a lot more than most top and middle of the table clubs are getting in other leagues.

I am all for more fair distribution but the league needs to be healthy and competitive enough. Cripple Barca and Real Madrid etc. and make the English clubs more powerful and give them more advantages? Nah.

How are they crippled when they make the most money in Europe? You are just wasting your money!! Instead of 100 mill on Griez, imagine a lower level La Liga team being able to keep their top three talents because of more TV money giving them more money to pay them and resist selling.

 

[El Gato]

Think La Liga is crap compared to the PL? Give the smaller sides more TV money to compete. Look at how teams like Leicester and West Ham are thriving in England.

West Ham thriving Club that had to move from a shite ground to a former Olympic stadium which to this day runs at a financial loss.

Recall who the owner of Leicester City is?

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

I just realized that freaking Nassar is now head of ECA. PSG played the gamble and freaking won

 

[JamDav1982]

How do you know? works for the PL... Why would a billionaire invest into a La Liga club when their team gets short end of the stick every time? Give more money for position finish but split the rest.

Completely different situation and money in EPL.

They have more world wide teams and therefor bigger contracts.

They can give the winners 200m+ in prize/tv money and more than any other team in world and still give the rest of league hundreds of millions.

Highest profile league that brings the tv money and billionaires. La Liga not even close on that.

Aye billiionaires be desperate to buy Villareal if only got another 5m close in tv money to Barca/Real...

La Liga would suffer far more for taking tens of millions away from Barca Real and giving Eibar/Leganes etc 5m more a season.

 

[Luftstalag14]

How are they crippled when they make the most money in Europe? You are just wasting your money!! Instead of 100 mill on Griez, imagine a lower level La Liga team being able to keep their top three talents because of more TV money giving them more money to pay them and resist selling.

TV/broadcast-wise the Spanish clubs are not making the most money in Europe, the English clubs are. Sure we have made a lot of high-profile transfer blunders and wasted a lot of money as a result, cutting our revenue is not the answer, more prudent planning, analysis and no panic buying is.

From a transfer perspective, I doubt more broadcast money to lower level La Liga clubs will help them hold on to their top players, they will still be enticed to move to bigger clubs nevertheless.

 

[Mistyoptic]

Completely different situation and money in EPL.

They have more world wide teams and therefor bigger contracts.

They can give the winners 200m+ in prize/tv money and more than any other team in world and still give the rest of league hundreds of millions.

Highest profile league that brings the tv money and billionaires. La Liga not even close on that.

Aye billiionaires be desperate to buy Villareal if only got another 5m close in tv money to Barca/Real...

La Liga would suffer far more for taking tens of millions away from Barca Real and giving Eibar/Leganes etc 5m more a season.

I can appreciate all of this, but at the same time, don't you think that Barca and Madrid have created that situation themselves? We've cannibalised and monopolised the league to such an extent, that it's almost impossible for other genuinely competitive sides to grow. Sevilla and Valencia have both been plundered to a ludicrous extent over the years. In England, there's more parity because the top clubs are forced to share what they have with other hungry, competitive sides. Yes, the competitiveness of the PL is a slight marketing illusion - it's not as good as Sky/BT likes to pretend - but vs La Liga the difference is night and day. And the only people to blame for that are Barca and Madrid. We could have had a competitive league, but there's two clubs at the head of the table instead of six or seven.

 

[stb_1]

Completely different situation and money in EPL.

They have more world wide teams and therefor bigger contracts.

They can give the winners 200m+ in prize/tv money and more than any other team in world and still give the rest of league hundreds of millions.

Highest profile league that brings the tv money and billionaires. La Liga not even close on that.

Aye billiionaires be desperate to buy Villareal if only got another 5m close in tv money to Barca/Real...

La Liga would suffer far more for taking tens of millions away from Barca Real and giving Eibar/Leganes etc 5m more a season.

Purely your opinion. My opinon is more rich investors would come in if there is more income, bringing their wealth and boosting the league.