European Super League

[Sterlingfan2000]

Josh Kroenke said the leavers will have to pay a Fee to JP Morgan but it isn't anywhere near 8 Million.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Question: Is the football brand touched after this crisis?

Answer: There is clearly a new approach to keep in mind for the industry. The possibility of being able to launch new products and alter the rules of the industry is now more evident. Soccer is open to free competition like any other sector, so the status quo does not have to be maintained . The Super League was not well planned, it has not managed to reach the entire sector, all the interested parties, that is, all the teams, all the players and all the fans. Now these teams have the opportunity to create a new innovative and differential product that can coexist with existing products without having to do so to the exclusion of anyone.

Q .: Has there been a marketing and communication problem?

A .: Not only that, because the idea itself, the Super League concept, was not well thought out and did not have all the stakeholders in mind. . But it is true that one of the errors has been as they have raised. Florentino P?rez has openly communicated the need to make money as a solution to the financial situation of the sector. The way I see it is the wrong message from beginning to end. It is telling the fan, the player, the sponsor and the team that they only matter if they generate money, as well as in a way sending a negative message to the rest of the leagues and teams. Who likes to hear that in an industry that defends the values ​​of teamwork, effort, perseverance and persistence, improvement and fair play? I guess that's what Javier Tebas was referring to when he indicated on his Twitter that Florentino is clueless. It is as if a fashion brand appears saying ?I don't care if you are badly dressed, what matters to me is that you spend the money in my store? or to a bank ?I don't care if you lose money as long as you give it to me?. Soccer has to excite. Narrowing it down to square the accounts removes emotion, nerves, and sensations from the equation.

Q .: How can the brand of the clubs that have been in favor of the Super League be repaired?

A .: They have to get out of the position of financial recovery to get closer to the fan and the stakeholders . Go back to review the essence of each club and worry about those who have led you to where you are today. We know how much it costs to win back a disappointed fan versus getting a new one. For this reason, clubs must remember that without their fans they are nobody.

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[Morten]

Josh Kroenke said the leavers will have to pay a Fee to JP Morgan but it isn't anywhere near 8 Million.

It would make sense of JP Morgan got the fee, they are the one sponsoring the entire thing.

Why RM and Perez would get anything doesnt make sense.

 

[Joan]

Yeah, we know thats the point of it.

Sure, Barca or Real are pretty much never going to miss out, but at least they have to put in a little bit of effort to make it, and who knows, at some point even a top club finds itself in real trouble(look no further than Milan and Arsenal).

How sad would it have been if Milan was included in CL when they were floating around mid-table in Serie A a few seasons ago? Not only would it be unmerited, but they would accomplish nothing, cause they simply werent good enough to be in the competition.

Would it have been better to have a failing Milan-side in the competition, over a side that was actually better at the time, and could compete in the tournament?

Of course Barca and co. can miss out, that's why they wanted safe spots. To limit sporting influence on income and always have the big earners in the competition.

I think such a concept needs changes and to be more open and merit-based, but Perez does outline some major issues about games being low quality and often not entertaining until the QFs. The ESL addresses these problems well. They rightfully saw they're missing on a huge piece of cake and worked on a project to get more people engaged.

They should've come up with a broader picture and present it. Possible ESL A & B with relegation and promotion options could be a step in that direction, for instance.

 

[Mitchell1978]

Then you are a greedy pig, Swiss, Ukranian, Hungarian and Denmark deserve to have the chance to win Europe's best competition.

Why should they have the right when they are not competitive in terms of quality, finances and fanbase?

Why shouldn't clubs be allowed to create a competition that is closed or where they are guaranteed to play in?

 

[Morten]

Why should they have the right when they are not competitive in terms of quality, finances and fanbase?

Why shouldn't clubs be allowed to create a competition that is closed or where they are guaranteed to play in?

Sure, they are very much allowed to, turns out though, the fanbase of the clubs hates the idea.
It is what it is.

 

[katzik]

Why should they have the right when they are not competitive in terms of quality, finances and fanbase?

Why shouldn't clubs be allowed to create a competition that is closed or where they are guaranteed to play in?

What fanbase? Twitter numbers don't make up fanbase. You probably speak about joke twitter followers from Vietnam.
I would very much like to see a final of let's say a "small" team according to you like Galatasaray or Red Star Belgrade or Lech Poznan vs Real Madrid.
Let's see how many "fans" each side will have and if they will be "invisible"

 

[Jenks]

https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/club...campaign=4b5e891a-1dc8-498b-8377-8fd95ac48965

'we've spent beyond our means, but we absolutely must remain a super club, so rather than adjust to our situation, the football world must change to suit us'

 

[katzik]

'we've spent beyond our means, but we absolutely must remain a super club, so rather than adjust to our situation, the football world must change to suit us'

Exactly.
WTF is the problem with these guys, haven't they learned to lose once in a while?
in 2002-2003 we were in the 6th position in La Liga, so what? Did that change anything?
Some years later we wrote history with the best team ever.
What is the problem of adjusting to the situation, being 6th once in a while and make your economics better.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

'we've spent beyond our means, but we absolutely must remain a super club, so rather than adjust to our situation, the football world must change to suit us'

Everyone knows that. This would have been lottery ticket to us.

 

[Newcomer]

Of course Barca and co. can miss out, that's why they wanted safe spots. To limit sporting influence on income and always have the big earners in the competition.

I think such a concept needs changes and to be more open and merit-based, but Perez does outline some major issues about games being low quality and often not entertaining until the QFs. The ESL addresses these problems well. They rightfully saw they're missing on a huge piece of cake and worked on a project to get more people engaged.

They should've come up with a broader picture and present it. Possible ESL A & B with relegation and promotion options could be a step in that direction, for instance.

It is easy to have interesting games before QFs. Just remove the seeding protections and the country protection in CL. But hey, i doubt the big clubs want that because they then have chances to go out very early in the competition and miss out on the money.

Just look at PSG group stage this year: there were 3 strong teams despite their seeding and it gave a very interesting and dynamic group phase.

Big clubs just want certainty to get their money every year. That is all. No risk.

 

[Newcomer]

This is far from over. Clubs tweeting they are out is one thing, being legally out another.

Chelsea and City started a wave of leaving because of the pressure in Britain and UEFA threatening to kick them out from current CL campaign. This whole thing will start again once current season is over if you ask me.

I agree about the italian and spanish sides. They have no pressure domestically. I would even say that their fans are for it. However, i can't see the english ones coming back without huge changes. Woodward resigned, Arsenal/City/Liverpool clubs and owners apologised. They are under too much heat at the moment and will need some more time before they can try that again (can be justified if the situation in football worsens and they come back saying they were right all along).

PS: if you notice, AC Milan declaration never siad they are out for example. You might think they said that because it followed the english trends but it was just clever communication. Spanish and Italian clubs want it si o si.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I agree about the italian and spanish sides. They have no pressure domestically. I would even say that their fans are for it. However, i can't see the english ones coming back without huge changes. Woodward resigned, Arsenal/City/Liverpool clubs and owners apologised. They are under too much heat at the moment and will need some more time before they can try that again (can be justified if the situation in football worsens and they come back saying they were right all along).

PS: if you notice, AC Milan declaration never siad they are out for example. You might think they said that because it followed the english trends but it was just clever communication. Spanish and Italian clubs want it si o si.

tbh,I don't think English clubs are the problem for them. One of the goals was to actually be able to make things equal with EPL clubs and if they can do it without them, they will do it (it will still be highly competitive, and a true competition that EPL clubs will feel the pressure to join sooner or later)
Their problem is actually France and German clubs, if it was rest of EU it could have been something, but being just Italy and Spain won't cut it even if clubs like Porto or whoever accepted to join them from outside.
1 league out isn't an issue even if EPL, 3 out of top 5? No chance

 

[Porque]

I think problem unravelled because Man City and PSG (Chelsea to some extent with the issues he had with his finances in Russia) are invested for the advantages of the political links through owning their clubs. You only need to see that when the government's stepped in that these were the first to retreat (Nasser was never in, but ended with a nice "promotion").

Those who are purely about profit like the American owners surcome(?) after, but almost in a way that they didn't really want to leave and they were apologetic to themselves.

Then of course those who need the extra cash injection for the short term survival of the clubs are still clinging to the idea.

As a result it was mistake to include the oil clubs as founding members who favour the institutional benefits over the financial (don't get me wrong, the financial are there too in the PL and CL).

They should have looked for more diversity with a Portuguese, Ajax, maybe a Turkish and Greek giant (imagine how big they could be with this financial backing).

Once it is working the PSGs, Man City can crawl in after.

In a way (and perhaps this was the idea, who knows, Florentino is very very smart) this could have been done how it was to make Uefa expose all their cards. Now they have there won't be any surprises when the idea returns refined and improved.

 

[MTL_Barca]

I think problem unravelled because Man City and PSG (Chelsea to some extent with the issues he had with his finances in Russia) are invested for the advantages of the political links through owning their clubs. You only need to see that when the government's stepped in that these were the first to retreat (Nasser was never in, but ended with a nice "promotion").

Those who are purely about profit like the American owners surcome(?) after, but almost in a way that they didn't really want to leave and they were apologetic to themselves.

Then of course those who need the extra cash injection for the short term survival of the clubs are still clinging to the idea.

As a result it was mistake to include the oil clubs as founding members who favour the institutional benefits over the financial (don't get me wrong, the financial are there too in the PL and CL).

They should have looked for more diversity with a Portuguese, Ajax, maybe a Turkish and Greek giant (imagine how big they could be with this financial backing).

Once it is working the PSGs, Man City can crawl in after.

In a way (and perhaps this was the idea, who knows, Florentino is very very smart) this could have been done how it was to make Uefa expose all their cards. Now they have there won't be any surprises when the idea returns refined and improved.

Fans would've been outraged either way at the idea of a closed competition, started by only a few big clubs. And honestly bringing in EL level teams would've made the whole thing look like a joke even more. Including Spurs was already laughed at, now imagine the memes with an elite league including a save starting spot for Galatasaray

Big mistake was not having contracts with enough teams. If they were full 18/20 or at least 15 then maybe it could've worked, but we would've still seen the same protests so most likely it would've just taken a little bit longer to break. With the proposed concept there is no way to solve the issue of fans (and coaches, players) being against the whole US franchise sport idea. But that was the main motivation for the clubs so it was bound to fail.