European Super League

BBZ8800

BBZ8800

Senior Member
I am not sure why you guys call ESL a closed competition and CL as some fair and open competition.

This season in a CL:
4 teams started in a preliminary round, BEFORE 4 qualifying rounds, so they had to play 5 KO rounds to reach a CL:
- Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Andora, San Marino

Then teams who needed to play 4 KO rounds against other champions:
- Scotland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Romania, Poland, Ireland, Serbia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Israel, Iceland, Latvia, Wales, Montenegro and former Soviet countries

Needed to play 3 KO matches:
- Croatia, Denmark, Switzerland

Yet, for example:
4 teams from EPL
4 teams from Spain
4 teams from Italy
4 teams from Germany
3 teams from France
= had all direct promotion to a group stage

Wtf is that?

Former Eurooean champions Red Star Belgrade and Celtic had to play 4 KO rounds against other champions only to reach group stage.

Yet, Sevilla, Monchengladbach or Lazio had a direct spot.

So, a 4th placed team from Spain/England/Italy is million times more important than champions from 80% of Europe who needs to play 3-4 KO qualifying rounds: Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria and foremer Soviet Union countries.

CL is open only on paper.
For example, champions from all over the Europe need to play 2-3-4 qualifying rounds between eachother.

So, in which universe is a CL fair and open for everyone?
It is open only in theory where 40 champions have to kill eachother in 5 KO rounds for 3-4 CL spots.

And then 3 spots out of 32 is not that much different than 1 spot out od 20 is ESL.

The only difference between CL and ESL is that 4 top teams from Italy/England will qualify based on their league position instead of fixed spots for Arsenal and Milan.

I don't understand how can anyone buy stories how a Uefa/CL are good guys with a fair competition open for everyone.

Again, Sevilla, Monchengladbach and Atalanta are million times more privileged than champions from 80% of Europe.

What a beautiful and fair play competition.
 
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katzik

New member
"I don't understand how can anyone buy stories how a Uefa/CL are good guys with a fair competition open for everyone."

Really, who says that?? Have you heard a single person saying this???
Of course it's unfair and the new format from 2024 is even worse!

Nice to blame Uefa for that but let's say that Uefa brings back the old much more fair format. One champion from each country in knock out games.
How would you think Real and Barca and other big teams will react? Exactly...

So even the new horrible format is a capitalist format based on the pressure from the rich "twitter and facebook" clubs
 
MTL_Barca

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
BBZ8800 said:
I am not sure why you guys call ESL a closed competition and CL as some fair and open competition.

This season in a CL:
4 teams started in a preliminary round, BEFORE 4 qualifying rounds, so they had to play 5 KO rounds to reach a CL:
- Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Andora, San Marino

Then teams who needed to play 4 KO rounds against other champions:
- Scotland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Romania, Poland, Ireland, Serbia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Israel, Iceland, Latvia, Wales, Montenegro and former Soviet countries

Needed to play 3 KO matches:
- Croatia, Denmark, Switzerland

Yet, for example:
4 teams from EPL
4 teams from Spain
4 teams from Italy
4 teams from Germany
3 teams from France
= had all direct promotion to a group stage

Wtf is that?

Former Eurooean champions Red Star Belgrade and Celtic had to play 4 KO rounds against other champions only to reach group stage.

Yet, Sevilla, Monchengladbach or Lazio had a direct spot.

So, a 4th placed team from Spain/England/Italy is million times more important than champions from 80% of Europe who needs to play 3-4 KO qualifying rounds: Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria and foremer Soviet Union countries.

CL is open only on paper.
For example, champions from all over the Europe need to play 2-3-4 qualifying rounds between eachother.

So, in which universe is a CL fair and open for everyone?
It is open only in theory where 40 champions have to kill eachother in 5 KO rounds for 3-4 CL spots.

And then 3 spots out of 32 is not that much different than 1 spot out od 20 is ESL.

The only difference between CL and ESL is that 4 top teams from Italy/England will qualify based on their league position instead of fixed spots for Arsenal and Milan.

I don't understand how can anyone buy stories how a Uefa/CL are good guys with a fair competition open for everyone.

Again, Sevilla, Monchengladbach and Atalanta are million times more privileged than champions from 80% of Europe.

What a beautiful and fair play competition.
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Yet still 100x more competitive than a league where 15 clubs are save to play every season no matter how they perform.

They took everything wrong with UEFA competitions and made it worse. Nobody says UEFA are good guys or that their competitions are super fair and don't favor big leagues, but Perez and bis buddies somehow made UEFA look a little bit like the "good" ones the first time in god knows how many years. Impressive achievement actually.
 
malvolio

malvolio

Senior Member
MTL_Barca said:
Yet still 100x more competitive than a league where 15 clubs are save to play every season no matter how they perform.

They took everything wrong with UEFA competitions and made it worse. Nobody says UEFA are good guys or that their competitions are super fair and don't favor big leagues, but Perez and bis buddies somehow made UEFA look a little bit like the "good" ones the first time in god knows how many years. Impressive achievement actually.
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100x more competitive my ass. same 12 clubs running things, while others have a lucky run from time to time. just look at who qualifies from the groups and who plays QF/semis/finals every year. most of the teams that attend the CL do so for money, without even dreaming of getting out of groups, let alone winning it.

let's drop the bullshit here. it's all about money. if clubs from the balkans + turkey and poland would have their own closed off competition, nobody would talk about the death of football. english fans would just laugh it off.

what's with all the drama and fear? let the big boys fight it out and we'll see how they do. if fans get bored things will change or the competition dies.

were just sitting here hypocritically crying about the possible demise of the likes of leicester or atalanta. really? where were the english clubs in the UEFA CUP/EUROPA LEAGUE before 1 CL spot was awarded for the winner? nowhere, they didn't give a fuck. where was west ham or leicester or everton in the UEFA CUP/EL? they just didn't care. because there was no money. they focused on finishing higher in EPL.

they all wanted a piece of the ESL. but it was the right move to start off with the big boys, establish some things and then it can be improved. do you think sevilla, marseille or dortmund wouldn't have really wanted a piece of the pie?
 
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El Gato

El Gato

Villarato!
This isn't a great source, the account was proven to pass on BS several times lately but

https://twitter.com/theMadridZone/status/1385508534830391299?s=20

All the clubs that left the European Super League will have to pay a fine 300 million euros.
@voz_populi
via
@mundodeportivo
#rmalive

According to the contract all clubs signed on Saturday, 300m would be the amount a club would pay if they decided to abandon the ESL. This is the same figure every club was gonna receive from the 3,2 billion loan from JP Morgan had they stayed.
@voz_populi
via
@mundodeportivo

The contract stipulates that those clubs that decide to leave the Super League are obliged to face a compensation equivalent to the part they would initially receive.
@voz_populi
via
@mundodeportivo
#rmalive
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If anything as such turns out to be true then it's not a bad haul.
 
Messi983

Messi983

Senior Member
So in other words they just have to return the money they've received?

Or must clubs that have backed out also pay to clubs who are still in? Won't happen but would be fun if EPL clubs would help to clear Barca and RM debt. :lol:
 
El Gato

El Gato

Villarato!
Dont know if I understand it anyway since JP Morgan released a statement disavowing the project. They may pursue breach of contract, but no idea what that means for clubs that didn't officially exit the ESL.
 
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mc_lovin

Senior Member
Messi983 said:
So in other words they just have to return the money they've received?

Or must clubs that have backed out also pay to clubs who are still in? Won't happen but would be fun if EPL clubs would help to clear Barca and RM debt. :lol:
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I dont think anyone received money already. That would be weird and quite the story. Just imagine us refusing to give it back :p
 
Messi983

Messi983

Senior Member
mc_lovin said:
I dont think anyone received money already. That would be weird and quite the story. Just imagine us refusing to give it back :p
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I doubt anyone really received money as well but this would be the most logical to me. If the clubs would have to pay their own 300m in fines I doubt they'd go away so fast.

But in that case I'd understand why we're staying in for now. We can't afford to add another 300m to our debt. :lol:
 
Vilarrubi

Vilarrubi

New member
El Gato said:
Dont know if I understand it anyway since JP Morgan released a statement disavowing the project. They may pursue breach of contract, but no idea what that means for clubs that didn't officially exit the ESL.
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Doubt it based on the statement you mentioned. Just sounds like the whole thing is dead and buried now.

Ezpb_oPXMAIGxz6


Perez in the mud.
 
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Sterlingfan2000

Active member
WoW german Newspaper has some incredible Leaks:

- JP Morgan wasn't the Investor , the Investor was actually Saudi Arabia
- Abramowitch has got a Call from the Russian Government that a Super league is an attack to the Pride of Britain and Brexit
- City also got a Call from Government that they should quickly leave , the money is coming from Saudis and they don't want their Image to be damaged
- PSG knew from the first Second that Saudis are financing it
- The Saudis contacted Perez the first
- Saudis will now Invest 6B trough UEFA and they want to complete Newcastle takeover this year and become a Super Power
 
MTL_Barca

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
malvolio said:
100x more competitive my ass. same 12 clubs running things, while others have a lucky run from time to time. just look at who qualifies from the groups and who plays QF/semis/finals every year. most of the teams that attend the CL do so for money, without even dreaming of getting out of groups, let alone winning it.

let's drop the bullshit here. it's all about money. if clubs from the balkans + turkey and poland would have their own closed off competition, nobody would talk about the death of football. english fans would just laugh it off.

what's with all the drama and fear? let the big boys fight it out and we'll see how they do. if fans get bored things will change or the competition dies.

were just sitting here hypocritically crying about the possible demise of the likes of leicester or atalanta. really? where were the english clubs in the UEFA CUP/EUROPA LEAGUE before 1 CL spot was awarded for the winner? nowhere, they didn't give a fuck. where was west ham or leicester or everton in the UEFA CUP/EL? they just didn't care. because there was no money. they focused on finishing higher in EPL.

they all wanted a piece of the ESL. but it was the right move to start off with the big boys, establish some things and then it can be improved. do you think sevilla, marseille or dortmund wouldn't have really wanted a piece of the pie?
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No need to wait for fans to get bored when the very same fans canceled the whole idea in a couple of days.
 
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