European Super League

[BarcaOG]

damn, thats a lot of money

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

More leaks from Spiegel :

-Every Team would have gotten 700Million Euro per Season
-Teams planned huge Asia Tour on 2022

Insane revenues compared to now.

 

[Richard.H]

More leaks from Spiegel :

-Every Team would have gotten 700Million Euro per Season
-Teams planned huge Asia Tour on 2022

ESL Club World Cup every summer rotating between Asia and NA . Would?ve made sense if you think about it (from flos perspective). Tons of money for this sport here and in Asia. Would be terrible for European fans though due to time differences. Uncle Flo would be seeing all green

 

[Windhook]

They say this project has been going on for 3 years, money from JP Morgan was huge. Nonetheless it's all 12 clubs fault they took loans after loans, year after year, to finance transfers, larger stadium, etc. Brainless.

 

[katzik]

They say this project has been going on for 3 years, money from JP Morgan was huge. Nonetheless it's all 12 clubs fault they took loans after loans, year after year, to finance transfers, larger stadium, etc. Brainless.

Indeed and I can't see how the teams would have been saved with ESL. With the same strategy they would still collapse a couple of years later..
Mbappe would cost 400m, Haaland 500m, wages would go up 300%.. So we are back in circles..

 

[Windhook]

Indeed and I can't see how the teams would have been saved with ESL. With the same strategy they would still collapse a couple of years later..
Mbappe would cost 400m, Haaland 500m, wages would go up 300%.. So we are back in circles..

Yeah, just double Mbappe and Haaland prices and we'd get there. The minimum asking price for those players.

 

[Jadentheman]

ESL Club World Cup every summer rotating between Asia and NA . Would?ve made sense if you think about it (from flos perspective). Tons of money for this sport here and in Asia. Would be terrible for European fans though due to time differences. Uncle Flo would be seeing all green

That was tried with the ICC but it failed due to people catching on to the obvious moneygrab. Now people will only want to see the big teams if the match is "serious". No one wants to see B-team players and out of form superstars.

 

[BBZ8800]

Agree CL needs a big reform and the qualifying process for some leagues/teams is tough.

But the reason those teams you mentioned get in without qualifying rounds is because of coefficient. It?s done over a 5 year period so if your league/teams consistently do well in European competition it can become easier to qualify.

For example Serie A got a 4th Champions League spot instead of 3 from 2018/19 because of their coefficient. Italian teams must have been doing well over that 5 year period to get it. Scotland gained another spot last season https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53688401 etc etc


So those teams you mentioned from leagues outside of the usual top 5 would need to perform well in Europe to make it easier for them to qualify. It?s not handed out on a plate. The current system even though it?s not perfect is still fairer than what Super League was suggesting. That would have seen those other leagues fall into irrelevance.

Since I am from Croatia, for example, Dinamo Zagreb reached quarters of Uefa league this season, winning 3:0 against Tottenham.
In 2019 in Europa league they won the 1st place with 4 wins and 2 draws.
This season in a group stage again 4 wins and 2 draws against Dutch Feyenoord, Cska Moscow and an Austrian club, all 3 clubs from countries who have better national coefficients.
Later they KO'd another Russian club with better coefficients and then they KOd Mourinho's Tottenham from the richest league in the world, only to lose to Villareal in the end (with all 4 penalty calls in Villareal's favor, of course).
Last year they trashed Atalanta 4:0 in a CL for example.

So, they have some really decent European results.
But since our country is poor, all teams except Zagreb are really poor and bad.
Zagreb won 15 out od the last 16 league titles.
And then, national coefficients are calculated based on all clubs from your country.
And other clubs are European minows like Rijeka, Hajduk and Lokomotiva.

Look at their results this season.
Uefa, qualifiers:
Hajduk:Macedonian team 1:0
Hajduk:Galatasaray (lol) 0:2, goodbye

Osijek:Basel 1:2, goodbye

Rijeka:Ukranian team 2:0
In Uefa league group stage, Rijeka had 1 win, 1 draw and 4 defeats.

CL qualifiers: Lokomotiva:Rapid Wien 0:1
Uefa qualifiers: Lokomotiva:Malmo 0:5, goodbye

So, Dinamo alone played 15 matches in Europe this season, with 9 wins, 2 draws, 4 defeats.
All other Croatian teams combined had:
12 matches:
3 wins, 1 draw, 8 defeats.

So, Dinamo Zagreb alone = 9 wins
4 other Croatian clubs = 3 wins.

And since country's coefficients are divided by a number of teams who played in Europe that season, Dinamo's wins are divided with 5.
So, even if they won 29 points for themselves, our Country won only 5.8 points from Dinamo, 1.4 points from Rijeka, 0.6 points from Hajduk, 0 from Osijek, 0 from Lokomotiva.

So, you see, countries are depending on other teams from their country.
And if football is poor, if there is no money from sponsors (or from a CL/Uefa league) HOW to improve a quality of other teams in your country, and they will always pull you down in coefficients.

Next season Dinamo will again have to play 3 random KO qualifying matches to reach CL or even Uefa league group stage.
And this season, those KO matches were even one-legged due to COVID.

Imagine playing 3 random one legged KO matches (on neutral ground or 1 away match) against Champions from other countries.

Barca is struggling on any KO away match, yet these teams often play only 1 KO match on an away ground.

So, champions from Sweden, Norway, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia etc have to go through 3-4 qualifying rounds and play against eachother for 2-3 spots in the end, while Atalanta or Tottenham get a direct CL group stage spot.
And even then Dinamo wins 4:0 vs Atalanta or 3:0 vs Tottenham.
And what is their prize for the next season?
1) dear Zagreb, you will play rounds 2, 3 and 4 in qualifiers
2) dear Atalanta/Monchengladbach = your secured group stage spot is waiting for you, welcome, nice to see you again.

You do have theoretical chances to reach a CL or KO rounds in Europe.
But chances, maths, too many qualifiers matches are totally against countries outside of top10.

CL is open for:
Top 5 countries: England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France
Somewhat opened for:
Portugal, Netherlands, Russia, Turkey, Greece

And more or less closed for other 45 European countries (there are 55 countries in total).

 

[Vilarrubi]

Since I am from Croatia, for example, Dinamo Zagreb reached quarters of Uefa league this season, winning 3:0 against Tottenham.
In 2019 in Europa league they won the 1st place with 4 wins and 2 draws.
This season in a group stage again 4 wins and 2 draws against Dutch Feyenoord, Cska Moscow and an Austrian club, all 3 clubs from countries who have better national coefficients.
Later they KO'd another Russian club with better coefficients and then they KOd Mourinho's Tottenham from the richest league in the world, only to lose to Villareal in the end (with all 4 penalty calls in Villareal's favor, of course).
Last year they trashed Atalanta 4:0 in a CL for example.

So, they have some really decent European results.
But since our country is poor, all teams except Zagreb are really poor and bad.
Zagreb won 15 out od the last 16 league titles.
And then, national coefficients are calculated based on all clubs from your country.
And other clubs are European minows like Rijeka, Hajduk and Lokomotiva.

Look at their results this season.
Uefa, qualifiers:
Hajduk:Macedonian team 1:0
Hajduk:Galatasaray (lol) 0:2, goodbye

Osijek:Basel 1:2, goodbye

Rijeka:Ukranian team 2:0
In Uefa league group stage, Rijeka had 1 win, 1 draw and 4 defeats.

CL qualifiers: Lokomotiva:Rapid Wien 0:1
Uefa qualifiers: Lokomotiva:Malmo 0:5, goodbye

So, Dinamo alone played 15 matches in Europe this season, with 9 wins, 2 draws, 4 defeats.
All other Croatian teams combined had:
12 matches:
3 wins, 1 draw, 8 defeats.

So, Dinamo Zagreb alone = 9 wins
4 other Croatian clubs = 3 wins.

And since country's coefficients are divided by a number of teams who played in Europe that season, Dinamo's wins are divided with 5.
So, even if they won 29 points for themselves, our Country won only 5.8 points from Dinamo, 1.4 points from Rijeka, 0.6 points from Hajduk, 0 from Osijek, 0 from Lokomotiva.

So, you see, countries are depending on other teams from their country.
And if football is poor, if there is no money from sponsors (or from a CL/Uefa league) HOW to improve a quality of other teams in your country, and they will always pull you down in coefficients.

Next season Dinamo will again have to play 3 random KO qualifying matches to reach CL or even Uefa league group stage.
And this season, those KO matches were even one-legged due to COVID.

Imagine playing 3 random one legged KO matches (on neutral ground or 1 away match) against Champions from other countries.

Barca is struggling on any KO away match, yet these teams often play only 1 KO match on an away ground.

So, champions from Sweden, Norway, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia etc have to go through 3-4 qualifying rounds and play against eachother for 2-3 spots in the end, while Atalanta or Tottenham get a direct CL group stage spot.
And even then Dinamo wins 4:0 vs Atalanta or 3:0 vs Tottenham.
And what is their prize for the next season?
1) dear Zagreb, you will play rounds 2, 3 and 4 in qualifiers
2) dear Atalanta/Monchengladbach = your secured group stage spot is waiting for you, welcome, nice to see you again.

You do have theoretical chances to reach a CL or KO rounds in Europe.
But chances, maths, too many qualifiers matches are totally against countries outside of top10.

CL is open for:
Top 5 countries: England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France
Somewhat opened for:
Portugal, Netherlands, Russia, Turkey, Greece

And more or less closed for other 45 European countries (there are 55 countries in total).

Yeah seems tough on them. Can see your frustration.

Would like to think they could have it easier next season if they are beating the likes of Spurs and Atalanta.

 

[Windhook]

The only chance rest of Europe clubs have to reach the group stages of CL is:

A) To have a good youth system like Dinamo Zagreb and the Belgrade giants
B) Have good scout and agent connections in Brazil - Shakhtar Donetsk and Ludogorets Razgrad
C) A billionaire owner who's willing to invest in the long-term.

In the current CL system the gap between giants and Eastern clubs will continue to grow, it's inevitable. Eastern Europe is still some 20-30 years behind economically due to the consequences of the Cold War.

I believe UEFA coefficient to be a fair method for the power balance in Europe, but club coefficient should be the factor determining the qualifying spots for any team, not the nation.
@BBZ8800, what is the main reason for Dinamo's dominance in Croatia? I remember the only season they fucked up my man Ivaylo Petev was in charge . He coached Ludogorets, too. A total loser.

 

[malvolio]

The only chance rest of Europe clubs have to reach the group stages of CL is:

A) To have a good youth system like Dinamo Zagreb and the Belgrade giants
B) Have good scout and agent connections in Brazil - Shakhtar Donetsk and Ludogorets Razgrad

shakhtar is backed by an oligarch. they bought many brazilians at prices usually paid by european wealthy clubs. so not a good example of organic growth.

can't see the balance in europe being restored in the next 20-30 years, as there is simply no chance for countries in eastern europe to catch up the economies of the top 5.

only the odd billionaire benefactor could change that but there are very few people with legitimate businesses that want to pour money into a club and have patience and long term planning.

 

[El Gato]

Rummenigge

On Perez
"I know Florentino, he is a proud Spaniard and president of probably the most famous club in the world. He's a highly intelligent person with whom you can speak sensibly. It will be important to build a bridge through dialogue"

Are you breaking your friendship with Agnelli?
"Andrea comes from a different generation and is a different type of person than me. I played football myself and always felt obliged to it - not exclusively to money."

"We've all made a big mistake, whether it's Real, Bar?a, Juve, City, Bayern or Dortmund: every year we have increased spending on player wages and paid higher transfer fees - because we had a common demon called the transfer market."

"We have to reduce player wages and agent fees. And we have to consider a wage cap in Europe like in the US"

"The Super League thing is over. It might even have been a good thing that we saw this whole circus, which upset the whole world. It has led to the fact that business people, who are very numerous in football, have understood that football is more than just business"

"I can say with full conviction that what the UEFA Executive Committee decided to reform on Monday will help the Champions League to become even better."

"The new format of the group stage makes the whole competition much more exciting and emotional, also because it is much more difficult for the big clubs"

https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1386070334546354180

UEFA camp picking up on the talking points.

 

[DonAK]

Rummenigge


https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1386070334546354180

UEFA camp picking up on the talking points.

KHR: I played football myself and always felt obliged to it

Also KHR: Lemme promote a format that will flog these players dead with even more games to play

Btw:

This is Karl-Heinz Rummenigge:

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html

 

[khaled_a_d]

Rummenigge


https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1386070334546354180

UEFA camp picking up on the talking points.

Liga has salary cap, and without player union approval it will never be legaly accepted to impose one or decrease it.
The agent thing is important, in NA agent only gets fees from player, and it is almost exclusively 4% when it comes to salary. This needs to happen in football, but won't be easy

 

[El Gato]

https://en.as.com/en/2021/04/26/football/1619451164_797078.html

Iker Casillas was interviewed by his old team mate Santiago Canzares on his You Tube channel - the television pundit and former goalkeeper published a brief snippet on social media today. In it, Casillas looked back over his career at Real Madrid and gave his opinion on the Super League project.

"I don't know if we should be heading towards a new world, with new challenges. And I don;t know whether people have realised or not that things have to change.

When asked whether he liked modern day football, Casillas gave a blunt reply: "No," and told Canizares that he loved very second and "really enjoyed" being between the sticks and never suffered.