FC Barcelona: Win of the youth system

Loki

Loki

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BusiTheKing said:
Strong Barca teams create weak La Masia years.
Weak La Masia years create weak Barca teams.
Weak Barca teams create strong La Masia years.
Strong La Masia years create strong Barca teams.

This is the cycle.
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It has nothing to do with La-Masia, but with how the club is lead. If Bartomeu throws money out the window for bums and ignores La-Masia for years, talents have no chance to develop and leave.
Now the club was forced to look intern again after being bankrupt and looki here, the solution was always at our own doorstep.

Without Xavi, Cubarsi would have played for the City group by now and Fermin in Poland. Without Flick, Casado would still play in Barca atletics or sign for some lower LaLiga team.
 
BusiTheKing

BusiTheKing

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Loki said:
It has nothing to do with La-Masia, but with how the club is lead. If Bartomeu throws money out the window for bums and ignores La-Masia for years, talents have no chance to develop and leave.
Now the club was forced to look intern again after being bankrupt and looki here, the solution was always at our own doorstep.

Without Xavi, Cubarsi would have played for the City group by now and Fermin in Poland. Without Flick, Casado would still play in Barca atletics or sign for some lower LaLiga team.
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To be clear, it wasn't supposed to be taken as a serious thesis.

When that's said, I don't think you're entirely correct either. What serious prospects did we really fumble under Barto's reign? Maybe it just so happened that there weren't anyone that great coming through?
 
jamrock

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Their wasn't that many elite talent coming through while Barto was in charge, but the main one, which was Thiago who would have perfectly replaced one of Iniesta/Xavi he allowed to leave.
 
MontenegrinCuler

MontenegrinCuler

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BusiTheKing said:
To be clear, it wasn't supposed to be taken as a serious thesis.

When that's said, I don't think you're entirely correct either. What serious prospects did we really fumble under Barto's reign? Maybe it just so happened that there weren't anyone that great coming through?
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Olmo was sent to Dinamo only for us to come back for him with 60 mil a few years later. For example. I reckon there are more examples.
 
Loki

Loki

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BusiTheKing said:
What serious prospects did we really fumble under Barto's reign?
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We'll never know that, the same as we'd never known for example that Casado is good enough to face Bayern in a CL match if Flick didn't pull him from Barca atletic. Or did anyone think he was a huge talent before the summer, being at Barca atletic with 21 years?
Of course there are talents where you see instantly that they will become huge players, but most of the talents you need to develop and if you don't, they might never fully realize their potential.
Bartomeu closed their spots with €20m bum signings with huge contracts. Players like Cubarsi, Fermin, Casado, Bernal would never have stayed or developed on the same level under Bartomeu's leadership.
 
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BusiTheKing

BusiTheKing

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Loki said:
We'll never know that, the same as we'd never known for example that Casado is good enough to face Bayern in a CL match if Flick didn't pull him from Barca atletic. Or did anyone think he was a huge talent before the summer, being at Barca atletic with 21 years?
Of course there are talents where you see instantly that they will become huge players, but most of the talents you need to develop and if you don't, they might never fully realize their potential.
Bartomeu closed their spots with €20m bum signings with huge contracts. Players like Cubarsi, Fermin, Casado, Bernal would never have stayed or developed on the same level under Bartomeu's leadership.
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It's not like top talents just fizzle out and die if they don't get prompt first team integration. If you've really got what it takes you will likely make it anyway, just perhaps through a less expedient route.

It's not like no-one got the chance either. Samper, Sandro, Munir, Halilovic, Adama, Gumbau, Kaptoum, Alena, Carles Perez, Puig, Collado, Mingueza, Monchu, Nico, Konrad De La Fuente, Ilaix -- these were the cream of the crop from those generations. Are these the types you're talking about?

I can honestly only think of Olmo and Grimaldo that might have been fuck ups. Maybe Arnau Tenas and Cucurella but that's a stretch.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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Cucurella was a miss, he is ahead of Grimaldo as a player even now.

Grimaldo wasn't a miss because he was never going to be able to displace Alba for another half a decade, and we had superior talents later in the academy. But he was a proper La Masia product. Same for Icardi even if he is sob.

Olmo was another fuck up too, obviously. Thiago is the biggest muss of them all during that tenure.

But yes, the best of the best were given chances, Sandro and Munir had more than enough chance, Adama was always a clear type of limited talent from his B team days, Samper weaknesses as a player who was only developed as DLP rather than a proper pivot, or Alena who was developed as second striker than a proper midfielder.

La Masia was still a competent academy, but those were bad years fir it based on the standards it set for itself.
 
TheStig

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Between the golden eras of La Masia (the 2000s generation and the current one) La Masia had a dark decade but still managed to produce players like Thiago, Olmo, Cucurella, Grimaldo, Icardi, Adama, Roberto... Impresive
 
soul24rage

soul24rage

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Only at this club

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