Fifa report into alleged corruption clears Qatar to host 2022 World Cup

[Sumlit]

Btw, I wouldn't be too sure nothing will happen to Blatter. US might not have jurisdiction over the European members of FIFA and it is likely no European will be extradited to US, but US is in excellent position to provide European criminal agencies, certainly the Swiss Justice Department, with ample evidence so they can themselves carry out criminal proceedings against these people. I'm sure the Swiss already have a ton of evidence, both self obtained and given by the US DoJ/FBI, and once the arrested people get extradited and processed, I'm sure plenty of them will turn in return for lessening of a sentence.

This is just basically the first day of exposure. A lot more is likely to come.

 

[Sumlit]

you miss my point man. Well, i understand why since my phrasing was really poor. Even if the us cares only about money, this might well trigger a chain reaction far beyond that frame

gotcha

 

[Morten]

Btw, I wouldn't be too sure nothing will happen to Blatter. US might not have jurisdiction over the European members of FIFA and it is likely no European will be extradited to US, but US is in excellent position to provide European criminal agencies, certainly the Swiss Justice Department, with ample evidence so they can themselves carry out criminal proceedings against these people. I'm sure the Swiss already have a ton of evidence, both self obtained and given by the US DoJ/FBI, and once the arrested people get extradited and processed, I'm sure plenty of them will turn in return for lessening of a sentence.

This is just basically the first day of exposure. A lot more is likely to come.

I would be suprised if they get something solid on Blatter, he knows this game too well i think.

 

[Catalan Fan]

Btw, I wouldn't be too sure nothing will happen to Blatter. US might not have jurisdiction over the European members of FIFA and it is likely no European will be extradited to US, but US is in excellent position to provide European criminal agencies, certainly the Swiss Justice Department, with ample evidence so they can themselves carry out criminal proceedings against these people. I'm sure the Swiss already have a ton of evidence, both self obtained and given by the US DoJ/FBI, and once the arrested people get extradited and processed, I'm sure plenty of them will turn in return for lessening of a sentence.

This is just basically the first day of exposure. A lot more is likely to come.

My understanding is that the US will be able to extradite the 7 FIFA members they picked up today, as they are for criminal charges, as opposed to tax issues.

But certainly, this is going to run and run.....

 

[Sumlit]

I would be suprised if they get something solid on Blatter, he knows this game too well i think.

Very valid concern. I only hope that all the evidence they have and all the people they've captured and likely to turn will produce something to drag him down. The corruption was so rampant and institutionalize that it would be difficult to hide everything. Arrogance also might have lead to mistakes and carelessness. It surely did for all the people indicted.

 

[Sumlit]

My understanding is that the US will be able to extradite the 7 FIFA members they picked up today, as they are for criminal charges, as opposed to tax issues.

But certainly, this is going to run and run.....

Yes but none are European citizens, all are South Americans. Much harder or in cases impossible for Europeans to extradite their own.

People captured today are likely to be extradited, as it is, the Costa Rican representative, Eduardo Li, already has a warrant for arrest in Costa Rica as well, and Uruguay is also likely to cooperate with extradition with both Uruguayan reps, one who was arrested and another who is in Uruguay.

More, Trinidad and Tobago already has warrant out for Jack Warner and Paraguay also has warrant out for their rep indicted. Latin American countries are so far all willing to cooperate with extraditions of those indicted.

 

[Morten]

Very valid concern. I only hope that all the evidence they have and all the people they've captured and likely to turn will produce something to drag him down. The corruption was so rampant and institutionalize that it would be difficult to hide everything. Arrogance also might have lead to mistakes and carelessness. It surely did for all the people indicted.

Thing is, Blatter knows how to cover his tracks, and being the leader, he probably never got his hands dirty directly. I doubt he did anything of the dirty work in person. Its easier to take down those who do it directly.

 

[Catalan Fan]

Yes but none are European citizens, all are South Americans. Much harder or in cases impossible for Europeans to extradite their own.

People captured today are likely to be extradited, as it is, the Costa Rican representative, Eduardo Li, already has a warrant for arrest in Costa Rica as well, and Uruguay is also likely to cooperate with extradition with both Uruguayan reps, one who was arrested and another who is in Uruguay.

More, Trinidad and Tobago already has warrant out for Jack Warner and Paraguay also has warrant out for their rep indicted. Latin American countries are so far all willing to cooperate with extraditions of those indicted.

Fair enough, but you still got SEAL Team 6 right ?

 

[Sumlit]

Thing is, Blatter knows how to cover his tracks, and being the leader, he probably never got his hands dirty directly. I doubt he did anything of the dirty work in person. Its easier to take down those who do it directly.

Let's hope he messed up somehow along the way. I'm optimistic they'll find something to get him.

Fair enough, but you still got SEAL Team 6 right ?

Yup It's on call. That's the last resort for Blatter

 

[Catalan Fan]

Thing is, Blatter knows how to cover his tracks, and being the leader, he probably never got his hands dirty directly. I doubt he did anything of the dirty work in person. Its easier to take down those who do it directly.

Yeah he's a slippery fooker, but even if we believe he didn't know of any wrong doing, he's then seen as totally unfit to be in charge.The buck stops with him, either way.

 

[Yannik]

I'd disagree with that.The charges/accusations go back 24 yrs and I expect more people will be charged in the coming months.Also they say the 2011 FIFA election campaign was corrupted (Blatter got re elected).

Then there's the Swiss investigation specifically involving the 2018/2022 bids.

In my opinion this is going to carry on for months, possibly yrs and bring the current FIFA organisation to it's knees.Blatter (as head of the organisation) will be gone.Either way the games up, whether he's dethroned or falls on his own sword.

if they actually wanted to dethrone Blatter and prevent the WCs from happening, then they would simply do that.
Takes 10mins for the NSA to collect the required data (phone-calls, bank-activities) to come up with something (they wouldnt even need to fake the evidences) and then in a matter of hours Blatter would be gone and the WC called of. But they dont do it, because the US government has other things to do than fuck around with Blatter, the FIFA or the question who's hosting the WC and why.

 

[Sumlit]

if they actually wanted to dethrone Blatter and prevent the WCs from happening, then they would simply do that.
Takes 10mins for the NSA to collect the required data (phone-calls, bank-activities) to come up with something (they wouldnt even need to fake the evidences) and then in a matter of hours Blatter would be gone and the WC called of. But they dont do it, because the US government has other things to do than fuck around with Blatter, the FIFA or the question who's hosting the WC and why.

NSA is not a federal criminal agency, but an intelligence agency. To do what they've done and be able to criminally prosecute and have it stand in eyes of the international community, they had to gather evidence the right way and through the right procedure so it can stand in criminal court.

Might want to read this. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/us/fifa-corruption-investigation-why/index.html

 

[Alarcón]

Btw, I wouldn't be too sure nothing will happen to Blatter. US might not have jurisdiction over the European members of FIFA and it is likely no European will be extradited to US, but US is in excellent position to provide European criminal agencies, certainly the Swiss Justice Department, with ample evidence so they can themselves carry out criminal proceedings against these people.

Yes. It doesn't matter whether Blatter will be extradited; if he really did something wrong, he will be persecuted anyway, if not by the US, then by Switzerland.

 

[Catalan Fan]

if they actually wanted to dethrone Blatter and prevent the WCs from happening, then they would simply do that.
Takes 10mins for the NSA to collect the required data (phone-calls, bank-activities) to come up with something (they wouldnt even need to fake the evidences) and then in a matter of hours Blatter would be gone and the WC called of. But they dont do it, because the US government has other things to do than fuck around with Blatter, the FIFA or the question who's hosting the WC and why.

Well ok, but have a look at this... I get the impression the US Attorney General is after blood here.

Sorry, can't do the link.. youtube Attorney General FIFA statement.

 

[Catalan Fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGtktZr__0

US Attorney General, outlines the charges against FIFA.