Francesc "Tito" Vilanova
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JackaL
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I think I am not the only one that thinks we should have found a new coach for this season and set things clear with Tito. Where I respect his 100 points performance I must say his cancer is a great risk that we knew already at the beginning of last season. As expected, his treatment took weeks where we were left without a coach, Roura could't cope with the task and I actually think we were incredibly struggling. Matches against bigger teams showed negative signs and I guess besides the risk of having no coach for a couple of weeks again, Tito is just not as an outstanding manager as Pep or others are, he is not in that league. I hope I will be proven wrong, hope the best for Barca and Tito as well as his wellbeing and family.
serghei
Senior Member
Look at the bright side. Can't be worse than 0-7.
Cule4life
The Culest
You never know
ryuken
Senior Member
0-8 or 0-9 is actually doable.
ebc_99
Active member
No manager is the finished article in his rookie year, It takes time to become a great coach. Look at Heynckes for example, he has had 30 years of experience but 3 years ago nobody here would have said he was a great coach but look how it worked out for him. A healthy Tito with the boards full backing and a season's experience to learn from will be much better this year. What were you guys expecting?
You must think managing is easy if you thought a guy with no experience, up against the most competitive field that I can remember, riddled with cancer with a squad who are suffering with injuries to their most important players and who are the most watched and studied team in football history were going beat everybody again. It does not work like that, this team was going to take a few years to get back to the level it was in 2011.
Up until Christmas everything was fine then Tito got sick, I hope no one here has to go through what Tito did, but if you do you will have a lot more respect for what he has done in his first season. To go through cancer then beat it and to then get it again the following year and have to go through all that pain and suffering a second time is extremely hard yet Tito kept his dignity throughout and deserves a chance to manage the club of his dreams when he is healthy so he can dedicate himself fully to the job. Then we will see what he has got, to judge him on last season is not fair, and the board did the right thing in sticking by him.
You must think managing is easy if you thought a guy with no experience, up against the most competitive field that I can remember, riddled with cancer with a squad who are suffering with injuries to their most important players and who are the most watched and studied team in football history were going beat everybody again. It does not work like that, this team was going to take a few years to get back to the level it was in 2011.
Up until Christmas everything was fine then Tito got sick, I hope no one here has to go through what Tito did, but if you do you will have a lot more respect for what he has done in his first season. To go through cancer then beat it and to then get it again the following year and have to go through all that pain and suffering a second time is extremely hard yet Tito kept his dignity throughout and deserves a chance to manage the club of his dreams when he is healthy so he can dedicate himself fully to the job. Then we will see what he has got, to judge him on last season is not fair, and the board did the right thing in sticking by him.
darthvader7888
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Tito being in his rookie year is not an excuse for struggling and being humiliated in almost every big game. Or losing by 7 goals. Not 3. Not 4. SEVEN. Biggest CL semi loss ever, if I'm not mistaken. The league win does not make up for the flaws.
And no, it was not all fine until Christmas. We had the problem of struggling in big games even then. Remember the second leg of the Supercup? We got thoroughly outplayed and Madrid should have won by way more goals than they did. And we had to scrape a lot of wins in La Liga too. I don't think you can really blame anyone for being disappointed in him.
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JamDav1982
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What a load of rubbish - humiliated in every big game? The only games like that were the two Bayern games when some of the most important players were not fit.
Real were the better side in 3 of the games Barca the better in 2. It happens unless you cant handle Barcelona not destroying every big team going.
You pick out the second leg of the Copa - when the team were all over the place in the first half hour due to personal errors from the Barca defence. But after that initial half hour Barca held their own with ten men and almost won the game.
You just sound like someone completely spoiled by the last few years and cant handle the fact if some other teams play better than Barca at times.
Also this idea to start having a go at the lub for things they might do - like appointing Roura or Eusebio - which will never happen just shows your agenda and is laughable.
darthvader7888
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I already told you, we were only the better side in ONE game that wasn't against an injury ravaged Madrid side. And no, Bayern weren't the only team that humiliated us. Second leg of the super cup against Madrid (say what you want about "individual errors", they were easily the better side and should have won by more), the 2-0 against Milan (no chances created), the 3-1 loss against Madrid (no chances created once again), and, of course, the humilliation by Bayern.
How the hell am I spoiled for being pissed that we got outplayed and struggled to create chances in every big game this season besides 2 (first Super Cup leg against Madrid and second leg against Milan)? Or being pissed that we lost 7-0 to Bayern? Or 3-1 to a fairly poor Madrid side? Or 2-0 to a poor Milan side (a side we should have destroyed)? It's not that I can't handle Barca not destroying every big team, but I sure as hell have a right to be pissed at our shitty performances in big games this season.
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JamDav1982
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But you dont give concessions for Barcelona having an 'injury ravaged side' against Bayern? Only Madrid get that.
No thats all the managements fault.
Just shows your biased way of thinking.
The 2-0 loss away to Milan was not a humiliation it was a poor away performance it happens. You just ignore the magnificent home game performance when they turned it around.
The 3-1 home defeat was poor and Madrid deserved it but they did create chances and Madrid took theirs.
All teams suffer big losses and poor performances against rivals if you cant handle that then stop watching.
darthvader7888
Banned
Our injury ravaged side against Bayern was Tito's fault for poor rotation. I don't follow Madrid, but I'm guessing their injury ravaged side was also the coach's fault for similar poor rotation. Still, that doesn't mean it was against a full strength Madrid side. It was not. And considering how weak that Madrid side were, we should have done better than we did.
The 2-0 loss to Milan was a humiliation considering it was against a poor side. Sure, we played amazing in the second leg, but we shouldn't have lost 2-0 in the first. And we certainly shouldn't have struggled to create chances. That tie should have been over by the end of the first leg, yet we lost 2-0
As for the 3-1 defeat, Madrid created way more chances than us. The 1 was a consolation goal btw. That was a humiliation. Easily.
Stop watching because I'm rightly pissed that we hardly did well in any big game?
Ok.You should stop just saying "it happens" whenever we get thoroughly outplayed.
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JamDav1982
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Our injury ravaged side against Bayern was Tito's fault for poor rotation. I don't follow Madrid, but I'm guessing their injury ravaged side was also the coach's fault for similar poor rotation. Still, that doesn't mean it was against a full strength Madrid side. It was not. And considering how weak that Madrid side were, we should have done better than we did.
The 2-0 loss to Milan was a humiliation considering it was against a poor side. Sure, we played amazing in the second leg, but we shouldn't have lost 2-0 in the first. And we certainly shouldn't have struggled to create chances. That tie should have been over by the end of the first leg, yet we lost 2-0
As for the 3-1 defeat, Madrid created way more chances than us. The 1 was a consolation goal btw. That was a humiliation. Easily.
Stop watching because I rightly get pissed when we hardly do well in any big game?
You should stop just saying "it happens" whenever we get thoroughly outplayed.
It was not down to poor rotation at all.
The players injured had played just as many games in previous seasons. Tito never overplayed them more than Pep did.
You ignore all the big games when Barca were the better team - Madrid at home, Madrid away, Atletico at home, PSG away, AC Milan at home. You totally disregard those games and focus on the 3/4 poor performances to claim they were poor in every big game.
Barcelona will have poor performances in the future you need to accpet that and stop blaming everything on the manager.
darthvader7888
Banned
Yes, the injuries were down to poor rotation. When you play Messi against relegation fodder right after a tiring game in Bolivia (and right before a CL knockout game), you're just asking him to get injured. Puyol was overplayed as well.
The Madrid away game was against an injury ravaged side.
We weren't really the better team away against PSG.
That leaves 2 (3 if you count the Atletico game) big games in which we played well and were the better team. And the 3/4 poor performances weren't simply "poor" they were absolutely abysmal. We have been extremely shitty in big games this season and should have done MUCH better and I have every right to be pissed, you need to accept that and stop calling me "spoiled" or telling me to be happy with 2/3 good performances in big games while getting outplayed in almost every other big game.
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