Francesc "Tito" Vilanova

[JamDav1982]

I already told you, we were only the better side in ONE game that wasn't against an injury ravaged Madrid side. And no, Bayern weren't the only team that humiliated us. Second leg of the super cup against Madrid (say what you want about "individual errors", they were easily the better side and should have won by more), the 2-0 against Milan (no chances created), the 3-1 loss against Madrid (no chances created once again), and, of course, the humilliation by Bayern.

How the hell am I spoiled for being pissed that we got outplayed and struggled to create chances in every big game this season besides 2 (first Super Cup leg against Madrid and second leg against Milan)? Or being pissed that we lost 7-0 to Bayern? Or 3-1 to a fairly poor Madrid side? Or 2-0 to a poor Milan side (a side we should have destroyed)? It's not that I can't handle Barca not destroying every big team, but I sure as hell have a right to be pissed at our shitty performances in big games this season.

Again all you do is ignore the big games the team played well in. Injury ravaged or not - actually most of Madrids top players were still playing - Barca dominated in that a big game.

At Madrid, Real x2, PSG away and Milan at home are all big games that the team dominated and deserved to win.

This was the Barcelona v Real game from Peps last season - this was as dominant as any of the Real games this season they should really have won 3/4-1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-aB1LKAgN8

It was happening before Pep left and also the next game Barcelona lost 1-0 at home to Madrid without barely creating anything.

Barcelona had injuries against Bayern but you dont take that into account but claim Barca outplaying Madrid is not worth mentioning as they had some injuries - it is a one sided view and totally biased to have a go at Tito.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes, the injuries were down to poor rotation. When you play Messi against relegation fodder right after a tiring game in Bolivia (and right before a CL knockout game), you're just asking him to get injured. Puyol was overplayed as well.

The Madrid away game was against an injury ravaged side.

We weren't really the better team away against PSG.

That leaves 2 (3 if you count the Atletico game) big games in which we played well and were the better team. And the 3/4 poor performances weren't simply "poor" they were absolutely abysmal. We have been extremely shitty in big games this season and should have done MUCH better and I have every right to be pissed, you need to accept that and stop calling me "spoiled" or telling me to be happy with 2/3 good performances in big games while getting outplayed in almost every other big game.

What players were injured due to poor rotation then?

You have such an agenda I wonder why you even bother watching.

You even pop up and start having a go at the likes of Eusebio despite the fact you admit you dont watch the b team. It says it all.

 

[darthvader7888]

Again all you do is ignore the big games the team played well in. Injury ravaged or not - actually most of Madrids top players were still playing - Barca dominated in that a big game.

At Madrid, Real x2, PSG away and Milan at home are all big games that the team dominated and deserved to win.

This was the Barcelona v Real game from Peps last season - this was as dominant as any of the Real games this season they should really have won 3/4-1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-aB1LKAgN8

It was happening before Pep left and also the next game Barcelona lost 1-0 at home to Madrid without barely creating anything.

Barcelona had injuries against Bayern but you dont take that into account but claim Barca outplaying Madrid is not worth mentioning as they had some injuries - it is a one sided view and totally biased to have a go at Tito.

We didn't dominate PSG away.

And btw, this season's Madrid side were FAR weaker than the Madrid side of last season. And they still did better against us.

Your view's pretty one sided too (and biased to defend Tito). Using the injuries excuse for our poor performance against Bayern yet praising the team for outplaying an injury ravaged Madrid side.

What players were injured due to poor rotation then?

You have such an agenda I wonder why you even bother watching.

You even pop up and start having a go at the likes of Eusebio despite the fact you admit you dont watch the b team. It says it all.

What players were injured due to poor rotation? Messi and Puyol.

How the hell do I have an agenda? I have no agenda whatsoever against Tito. I simply don't think he's a good enough coach and am rightly pissed with the way we've performed in big games this season. And I've already said this before: I really hope he proves me wrong next season. But the fact of the matter is: he hasn't done a good job at all this season. Especially in big games.

 

[Semi-Neutral]

Honestly, I didn't notice a difference between this season's Madrid and last one's in terms of big games. Against small teams, sure, they were garbage half the time, and they got wrecked by Lewandowski, but overall they were actually really good in big games, especially against us.

 

[JamDav1982]

We didn't dominate PSG away.

And btw, this season's Madrid side were FAR weaker than the Madrid side of last season. And they still did better against us.

Your view's pretty one sided too (and biased to defend Tito). Using the injuries excuse for our poor performance against Bayern yet praising the team for outplaying an injury ravaged Madrid side.

This seasons Madrid were weaker at the beginning of the season and lost the league then, due to complacency etc which would never the case against Barca or the other top teams in the league - Barca, Atletico etc.

In the draw away to Madrid who were the players missing from this 'injury ravaged side' anyway? Most of the big players were still there anyway.

 

[darthvader7888]

This seasons Madrid were weaker at the beginning of the season and lost the league then, due to complacency etc which would never the case against Barca or the other top teams in the league - Barca, Atletico etc.

In the draw away to Madrid who were the players missing from this 'injury ravaged side' anyway? Most of the big players were still there anyway.

Ramos. Casillas. Marcelo. Coentrao. Di Maria. Looks pretty injury ravaged to me.

Btw, Madrid didn't do that well in big games this season, aside from the games against us. They got outplayed by Man U and won due to a BS red card (so they should have been knocked out in the round of 16). And they got absolutely wrecked by Dortmund. They were a LOT weaker than the Madrid side of Pep's last season.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ramos. Casillas. Marcelo. Coentrao. Di Maria. Looks pretty injury ravaged to me.

Btw, Madrid didn't do that well in big games this season, aside from the games against us. They got outplayed by Man U and won due to a BS red card (so they should have been knocked out in the round of 16). And they got absolutely wrecked by Dortmund. They were a LOT weaker than the Madrid side of Pep's last season.

Well thats effectively three players as Marcelo was on the bench

So they missed three players and that is 'injury ravaged'. What about Barca being beaten away to Madrid in Supercopa missing Puyol, Alves and Abidal is that not injury ravaged?

 

[darthvader7888]

Well thats effectively three players as Marcelo was on the bench

So they missed three players and that is 'injury ravaged'. What about Barca being beaten away to Madrid in Supercopa missing Puyol, Alves and Abidal is that not injury ravaged?

Marcelo was unfit. They had to play fucking Essien at LB. It was 5 players. 4 starters. We were only missing 2 starters in the super cup.

 

[JamDav1982]

Marcelo was unfit. They had to play fucking Essien at LB. It was 5 players. 4 starters. We were only missing 2 starters in the super cup.

Marcelo was not unfit, Mourinho just did not like his attitude.

That is three positions where players were not fit. Abidal, Puyol and Alves were all missing from Super Cup. Unless you know better.

 

[darthvader7888]

Marcelo was not unfit, Mourinho just did not like his attitude.

That is three positions where players were not fit. Abidal, Puyol and Alves were all missing from Super Cup. Unless you know better.

Whatever, they were missing 4 starters. Ramos, Di Maria, Coentrao and Casillas. We were missing 2. Puyol and Alves.

 

[Semi-Neutral]

It's not so much how many starters they were missing, as how good the substitutes were. As much as I hate to say it, Essien was quite good at left back, Diego Lopez played really well in goal.... They could afford to lose those starting players, because their replacements were just fine, while we had a real problem in depth on the defensive end; we had to play Adriano as CB against Madrid!

 

[JamDav1982]

Whatever, they were missing 4 starters. Ramos, Di Maria, Coentrao and Casillas. We were missing 2. Puyol and Alves.

Well was Casillas really a starter from Jan on? I doubt it.

Lopez actually did better than Casillas against Barca and certainly never weakened the team.

I think you will find Abidal, Puyol and Alves = 3.

Barely much difference in injury situations.

 

[oz187]

But the fact of the matter is: he hasn't done a good job at all this season. Especially in big games.

Big game no 1: 2-2 draw with Madrid in the League. Were winning 2-1 and were the most likely team to win after Madrid had equalised.
Big game no 2: 4-1 win against Atletico Madrid who were second in the league. Totally dominated the second half.
Big game no 3: 1-1 draw away to Madrid in the Copa, Cesc and Pedro missed sitters that would have put Barca 2-0 up and in complete control of the tie.
Big game no 4: 0-2 defeat to Milan, tactics were poor and the players also lacked spark.
Big game no 5: 1-3 defeat to Madrid, started well but lost their way throughout the game and were 0-3 down. Bit of a hiding.
Big game no 6: 4-0 smashing of Milan.
Big game no 7: 2-2 draw away to PSG, were 1-0 up and 2-1 up, PSG had two lucky goals, one a blatant offside, the other a last minute deflection.
Big game no 8: 1-1 draw home to PSG, started in a position to qualify, then PSG had the lead for 20 minutes, then Barca scored and remained in a position to qualify till the end. PSG didn't threaten in those last 20 minutes.
Big game no 9: 0-4 thrashing by Bayern. Tactics were poor and the players played badly too. Team was suffering greatly in injuries having to rely on Barta, with Busi and Messi also carrying injuries.

I don't see the "shit in big games". There's a couple of great victories, a couple of horrible defeats, one bad defeat and a bunch of draws.

 

[darthvader7888]

Big game no 1: 2-2 draw with Madrid in the League. Were winning 2-1 and were the most likely team to win after Madrid had equalised.
Big game no 2: 4-1 win against Atletico Madrid who were second in the league. Totally dominated the second half.
Big game no 3: 1-1 draw away to Madrid in the Copa, Cesc and Pedro missed sitters that would have put Barca 2-0 up and in complete control of the tie.
Big game no 4: 0-2 defeat to Milan, tactics were poor and the players also lacked spark.
Big game no 5: 1-3 defeat to Madrid, started well but lost their way throughout the game and were 0-3 down. Bit of a hiding.
Big game no 6: 4-0 smashing of Milan.
Big game no 7: 2-2 draw away to PSG, were 1-0 up and 2-1 up, PSG had two lucky goals, one a blatant offside, the other a last minute deflection.
Big game no 8: 1-1 draw home to PSG, started in a position to qualify, then PSG had the lead for 20 minutes, then Barca scored and remained in a position to qualify till the end. PSG didn't threaten in those last 20 minutes.
Big game no 9: 0-4 thrashing by Bayern. Tactics were poor and the players played badly too. Team was suffering greatly in injuries having to rely on Barta, with Busi and Messi also carrying injuries.

I don't see the "shit in big games". There's a couple of great victories, a couple of horrible defeats, one bad defeat and a bunch of draws.

FOUR horrible defeats (Milan, Madrid, Bayern x2), couple of great wins (3-2 against Madrid, 4-0 against Milan), a few draws (in most of which we weren't really the better team, especially the 2 games against PSG, their 2 goals in the first leg were lucky, but they created a lot of chances), and a bad defeat that should have been horrible (2-1 loss to Madrid in the Super Cup)

We were pretty shitty in big games.

 

[JamDav1982]

Big game no 1: 2-2 draw with Madrid in the League. Were winning 2-1 and were the most likely team to win after Madrid had equalised.
Big game no 2: 4-1 win against Atletico Madrid who were second in the league. Totally dominated the second half.
Big game no 3: 1-1 draw away to Madrid in the Copa, Cesc and Pedro missed sitters that would have put Barca 2-0 up and in complete control of the tie.
Big game no 4: 0-2 defeat to Milan, tactics were poor and the players also lacked spark.
Big game no 5: 1-3 defeat to Madrid, started well but lost their way throughout the game and were 0-3 down. Bit of a hiding.
Big game no 6: 4-0 smashing of Milan.
Big game no 7: 2-2 draw away to PSG, were 1-0 up and 2-1 up, PSG had two lucky goals, one a blatant offside, the other a last minute deflection.
Big game no 8: 1-1 draw home to PSG, started in a position to qualify, then PSG had the lead for 20 minutes, then Barca scored and remained in a position to qualify till the end. PSG didn't threaten in those last 20 minutes.
Big game no 9: 0-4 thrashing by Bayern. Tactics were poor and the players played badly too. Team was suffering greatly in injuries having to rely on Barta, with Busi and Messi also carrying injuries.

I don't see the "shit in big games". There's a couple of great victories, a couple of horrible defeats, one bad defeat and a bunch of draws.

You are 100% correct. Good games, average games and bad games.

Darth only wants totally dominant games and in particular in the CL.

No club or manager achieves that year after year but Tito has to or its #TitoOut.