Frenkie de Jong

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vuji_31

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL08Nkubm3w

Frenkie at DM v Mallorca... granted it is Mallorca but the way folk make out his is clueless as how to play there is comical.

0.33 is example of taking ball forward in way Busquets cant. Even that small space to suck in opponents and beat press. That was Busquets he doesnt take ball or dives to win FK when realises opposition to close.

His ability to move for ball both offensively and defensively is on a different planet and his passing is nowhere near as far off the Busi levels as made out.

I have say it a long time ago.

Anyone over Busqets is upgrade.
Especially someome who is faat and csn sprint to stop counters and run wit ball in the feet.
 

Joan

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Frenkie de Jong might work as a CDM somewhere, but it isn?t Barca Xavi wants to see. For that, a player like Busquets is more useful even as bad as he is. De Jong might be quick but his passing is slow, takes plenty of time to decide and his natural instinct is not to pass but to advance the ball via dribbling or running. He is also average in defensive duties. Can?t see him ever becoming a world class CDM. It?s not like he?s the obvious answer and Xavi is just blind to see it. That said I think he is an upgrade over Busquets.
 

JamDav1982

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Nah Busquets makes Barca weaker and his passing is nothing that teams are scared of or helping Barca dominate games.

Real targeted him on the ball all game the other night.

He cant move bar a snails pace and slows game down unless under his conditions.

Real sat 20 yds off him at times and let him have it as has zero ability to zing ball to wide players early or close the space he is left on ball and take it up the park.

Then he plays huge part in two of the three goals.

There is nothing unique about Busi that makes him the better DM no matter how Xavi wants to play.

His passing has been shite this season compared to him in past anyway.

Busi is not working as a DM folk are on a different planet if think he was not a complete liability v Real the other night and in near enough every big game.
 

gregorrin10

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Frenkie de Jong might work as a CDM somewhere, but it isn?t Barca Xavi wants to see. For that, a player like Busquets is more useful even as bad as he is. De Jong might be quick but his passing is slow, takes plenty of time to decide and his natural instinct is not to pass but to advance the ball via dribbling or running. He is also average in defensive duties. Can?t see him ever becoming a world class CDM. It?s not like he?s the obvious answer and Xavi is just blind to see it. That said I think he is an upgrade over Busquets.

There's different kinds of CDM though, in different formations. We absolutely shouldn't be selling FDJ just to accommodate Busquets for 1-2 more years, which is all that he has in him left in any case, and even that shouldn't be as a starter anymore. Playing FDJ instead of Busquets in the starting lineup is a must at this point. I really hope Xavi is not stupid enough to risk losing him over this, especially since the feeling around the club and the media like to jump and blame foreigners first, every time something goes wrong.

I'm not sure about him as the lone CDM as well though, especially since he likes to make those forward runs, we'd limit his qualities a lot by thinking/putting of him as the direct Busquets replacement. We should really be moving on from this fixed idea of the lone CDM anyway, scrambling to find Busquets's exact replacement, and even worse keep extending Busquets's lifetime indefinitely until we manage to do that. Move on and accept the fact that we don't have those kind of players anymore, no matter how much Xavi may like to think/play like we do. We need to change our midfield setup to suit our current players, not keep looking for the Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta replacements, cause we won't find them.

I think our best bet would be to try the 4-3-3 formation, but with 2 CDMs and a CAM, the formation Frenkie excelled at Ajax, with Schone and Van De Beek. Put him alongside Gavi, and Pedri as the CAM, with Gavi's work rate and Pedri's penetrative qualities through the lines I think that would work really well, and would suit all three of them the best. Puig to replace Pedri in easier matches, while Nico as the first sub for FDJ/Gavi, with Busquets also playing the occasional game, especially against lesser teams, when we have more control and don't get pressed on as much. Against top teams you can clearly see Busquets doesn't have it anymore, even worse, they actually actively target him, iike Real did in the last game and scored the first goal directly because of that. Even when Busquets does play, he can use as much help as he can get, he can't play as the lone CDM anymore either, cause we get exposed so badly, when he does. So why are we still so fixed on keeping this lone CDM role in our formation, if neither Busquets, De Jong and Nico can't play it on their own?
 

Rory

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He'd be class at Chelsea. Kovacic and Kante both receive the ball from deep and drive forward several times a game which is his forte. He should go for a chat with Xavi. Ask him if Busquets is going to start every game for this season and next. If so he should put in a transfer request.
 

vuji_31

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Already proven bullshit.

TM value: 70mil.

Contract until 2026.

Chelsea offer 40 mil LOL.

It does not make sense.
 

Windhook

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Actually Frenkie's poor form due to probably being played out of his natural position has effect on his value. 70m for a player who has 0 assists, stuck at playmaking with safe passes left and right is not worth it. Forget about 70m, this sounds cosmic.
 

Nazario1985

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Even 40mil is unbelievable for someone to offer for FDJ seeing how he performs since 2 seasons !!

It's a gamble for anyone who wants to buy it at this stage.
 

Porque

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Even 40mil is unbelievable for someone to offer for FDJ seeing how he performs since 2 seasons !!

It's a gamble for anyone who wants to buy it at this stage.

Check Coutinho just now, or Andre Silva in his initial phase to Everton, or Digne.

40m is low for what Frenkie can do in a faster, more vertical and sometimes chaotic league. Those characteristics will suit his (and many players) game more.

As for us, we're trying to paint a Monet without a brush.
 
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