Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Could be fake, i didnt check it, found it on facebook
But tbh im sure he thinks like that in his head 🤬
But tbh im sure he thinks like that in his head 🤬
Gareth Bale
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khaled_a_d
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Messi and CR7 has separated themselves from the rest of their generations tbh, I doubt any of them would really say that. Even the Neymar/Suarez or Lewa of the world knows that they can't compete with them
Maradona37
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Yeah, fake.
The true overrating is from the clueless modern fans in the notes. Not a single mention of the likes of Modric, Xavi and Iniesta (all so underrated) and all saying Bale was the closest to Messi and Ronaldo (btw I would put Ronaldo significantly below Messi). Also some idiots saying Benzema was bad when Ronaldo was at RM (overlooking all the donkey work he did for him).
People who think Bale is better than Iniesta (for example) obviously think about football in a far different way to me. It's really amazing that Xavi and Iniesta rarely come up in these debates. Some guys (a lot of guys) can't analyse a game beyond goal stats.
The true overrating is from the clueless modern fans in the notes. Not a single mention of the likes of Modric, Xavi and Iniesta (all so underrated) and all saying Bale was the closest to Messi and Ronaldo (btw I would put Ronaldo significantly below Messi). Also some idiots saying Benzema was bad when Ronaldo was at RM (overlooking all the donkey work he did for him).
People who think Bale is better than Iniesta (for example) obviously think about football in a far different way to me. It's really amazing that Xavi and Iniesta rarely come up in these debates. Some guys (a lot of guys) can't analyse a game beyond goal stats.
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Maradona37
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Messi is a clear level or two or three above Ronaldo imo - Ronaldo is a lot closer to the chasing pack than he is Messi, in everything but goalscoring.
Messi being better than Ronaldo isn't an unpopular opinion. Messi being significantly better (as I believe) is an unpoplar opinion even though to me it's quite clearly true.
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khaled_a_d
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Nah, that is the Barca fan in you.
CR7 was a worthy rival of Messi, a real rival. For me if you underrate him like this you actually underrate Messi because CR7 was a big part of the story (and anyone who thinks Messi didn't see him as rival is delusional btw).
Messi won the rivalry in an obvious way, with World Cup ending the discussion, but that doesn't make the gap bigger between them, than them and the rest.
Edit: Iniesta, Xavi etc were older and declined at younger age. It is the main reason that the discussion will pass them. Bale was more recent than those and same for Neymar and Suarez.
Also, attackers always get a favour treatment over midfielders, and midfielders over defenders. You don't say Ramos or Puyol or VVD or Godin in those discussions, when they were as good for their positions as the aforementioned midfielders.
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Good post dude.....until i read Messi won the rivalry 🤬 just joking, good view
Good post dude.....until i read Messi won the rivalry 🤬 just joking, good view
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Same
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Three levels?? Dude you need to drink less 🤬🤬
Maradona37
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I am not a Barca fan.
I have always, always felt Messi is significantly better. The World Cup has nothing to do with it and I was saying this before he won it. He's so much better at stuff like passing dribbling, even finishing (look at shot conversion rates) that it isn't even funny.
I also don't underrate Messi because his true rivals are Pele and Maradona, and for me the three are all very close. Giving him too much credit would be saying he's a miles better passer or dribbler than Maradona. For me saying he's close to Ronaldo is actually underrating him.
Guys like Gundogan find the comparison laughable so clearly I am not the only one who thinks Messi is much much better.
The problem is you talk about media-invented 'rivalries', 'stories' and 'romances', whereas I just rate them based on how good their footballing attributes are - taking away all the media fluff and guff about 'stories'. This is football - not Dallas or Days of Our Lives. Modern football fans honestly think football is a film or soap opera and these guys are actors or characters, protagonists in a 'story' - it's fucked up.
I have said before I think it's the other way about - Ronaldo gets a boost in reputation by riding Messi's coattails like a leech. Messi is arguably the GOAT so if Ronaldo can keep up with him in scoring and trophies, Ronaldo must have a great claim too, right? Wrong. He is constantly measured by Messi, so if people think he compares well with Messi, they automatically assume he leapfrogs guys like Cruyff, Platini, Zidane, R9, Puskas, Di Stefano etc - because if Messi is better than them and Ronaldo can compare to Messi, he must be too yeah? Well, for me, it's nowhere near that clear cut.
The overall point is he's lucky to play in Messi's era where his goalscoring gives the illusion he's on Messi's level. The truth is there's clear distance between them.
Personally, I don't know how any of you can have watched the last 15 years and think these guys are in any way close in talent, football ability. Goalscoring yes, but in sheer ability? Messi pisses on Ronaldo.
Also, that is just your view. For me someone like Neymar is more talented than Ronaldo himself, albeit achieved less. I refuse to believe anyone who says Ronaldo is closer to Messi than Neymar is to Ronaldo AS A PURE FOOTBALLER (in anything but goalscoring).
Edit: also, if people are so moronic that they think only attackers can be the best players, that's their problem, not mine.
I didn't write this but this guy gives a brief but decent summation
@KingLeo10 and @soul24rage will back me up I am sure.
Edit 2: the problem is you seem to place much more stock than I do in goal stats, Ballon d'ors, individual achievements, team trophies, 'stories and narratives'...I don't give the slightest fuck about any of that stuff, it is all meaningless to me when judging who the more talented, gifted, far superior FOOTBALLER is. All I care about is watching them on the park and seeing who passes better, dribbles better, who has better football IQ and vision and chemistry with team-mates, who finishes better, who is more entertaining, who is more of a genius - and it's Messi by light years in these areas over Ronaldo. I don't care about comparing goal stats to decide who's better like 99 percent of clueless modern fans do.
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Maradona37
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I am teetotal.
Messi is a significantly more talented footballer than Ronaldo. As goalscorers they're about equal.
Saying Messi is a miles better FOOTBALLER (not goalscorer) than Ronaldo is a very reasonable opinion. Plenty of other players surpass Ronaldo in dribbling and passing and vision, ability in tight spaces, never mind Messi who is GOAT tier in all.
Maradona37
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It isn't even a slight on Ronaldo. He's a brilliant player and one of the top ten ever. He just cannot compete with Messi, who is a severe outlier in so many areas. He has a shout to be from about 4th to 8th though, after the big three.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Uf glad to hear 😪😪
Messi prime was really a joy to watch, i will never forget his 2009-2011 version ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
But 2012 Ronaldo was nearly as scary, guy could dribble, shoot from 30m, passes with a power of a hulk + the amazing spiky hair - that was the only version which even Kingleo feared 😰😰
Maradona37
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See this is the problem.
Ronaldo was an ok dribbler - inferior to guys like Neymar, Iniesta, Hazard and Ribery there, never mind Messi. He was a kick and run merchant - he would knock it past someone and outpace them - he couldn't zig zag or weave like the aforementioned players.
As for 'shoot from 30m' - this happens a lot with Ronaldo...he does something once in a blue moon and people talk like it's a major part of his arsenal. Probably very few of his goals percentage wise came from 30m, but the ones that do stick out so people act like every shot he took from 30m hit the back of the net, when actually most hit the Bernabeu car park.
He is strong but he often dived so didn't make use of his strength as much as he could.
Either way, the point is that it's delusional to claim he comes anywhere near Messi in passing, dribbling, finishing, playmaking, vision, tight-space ability and football IQ - these are most of the important parts of football. He has a major advantage in aerial ability, and that is important to be fair to him. He's better from penalties but has actually missed a good amount of important ones - and penalties are obviously a much smaller part of the game than stuff like passing, dribbling (as is heading).
Maradona37
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I don't wanna look like I am slagging Ronaldo - I don't dislike him as much anymore (though I do still dislike he and Messi as people). He's a brilliant player and top 6-10 of all time for me.
But as footballers it baffles me how some people cannot see that one is miles better than the other. I think people are fooled by goal stats. That's really the only thing Ronaldo can compete in in terms of on the pitch.
But as footballers it baffles me how some people cannot see that one is miles better than the other. I think people are fooled by goal stats. That's really the only thing Ronaldo can compete in in terms of on the pitch.
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