Gerard Deulofeu

Adversus

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It is random how it weighs those stats and could be done a million ways and as Barca this season shows it can get it totally wrong is nothing to be relied upon.

Terrible way of judging players performances.

Suarez has been poor by any players standards even with the goals.

Those players who have been amongst the worst have been rated amongst the highest.

Awful thing to quote is whoscored ratings.

Quick look at EPL last season it has fucking Pogba as third best player and Kante as 34th behind players like Gueye, Henderson, Antonio, Ozil....

It is nothing to be pointed to and you dont even know if it has different criteria for each position.

You are right. It's a black box. I have no idea how simple or how complicated it is. All we can do is judge the results it produces.

But you are comparing apples to oranges. Kante is a defensive midfielder. The only player who plays roughly his position who is higher (only 2 places) is Gueye and being an Everton supporter I'm not surprised at this - he's a really good player and very similar to Kante. While Gueye may not be as good as Kante he is more important and has more influence on each game because we are so poor.

Chelsea dominate most games. In those games I could do Kante's job. However let's test this theory.

Chelsea 2 : 3 Burnley 90' 6.48
Tottenham 1 : 2 Chelsea 90' 7.42
Chelsea 2 : 0 Everton 90' 7.33
Leicester 1 : 2 Chelsea 90' 8.42
Chelsea 6 : 0 Qarabag FK 63' 7.02
Chelsea 0 : 0 Arsenal 90' 7.33
Stoke 0 : 4 Chelsea 90' 7.83

That's his ratings for this season. The two games that were close were also his two best performances which is why he gets the plaudits. He's an important player when it matters but taking an average of the overall season won't tell you that because that's exactly how averages work.

What you are doing is highlighting the mistakes I was referring to that people make.

First you are taking "an average" over a season and then you are then applying that to make a comparison between players like Ozil to Kante.

You may as well compare De Gea to Messi. It's irrelevant.

For each individual game it is pretty accurate (and that's what we are discussing) and it can still be used to compare players but with various different caveats.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Dont need to test any theory I know from watching Kante was better last season than Pogba, Henderson, Ozil etc.

Just more evidence of how unreliable those ratings are.

Quick chck at GK ratings.... has de Gea at 27th best last season on average performance.

It is laughable how bad it is.

The averages are completely relevant as it shows how those players were rated in comparison across the season.

You are having an absolute nightmare with this angle.

It isnt accurate for indivdual games and if it was it would be reflected in rating across the season.
 

Adversus

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Dont need to test any theory I know from watching Kante was better last season than Pogba, Henderson, Ozil etc.

Just more evidence of how unreliable those ratings are.

Quick chck at GK ratings.... has de Gea at 27th best last season on average performance.

It is laughable how bad it is.

The averages are completely relevant as it shows how those players were rated in comparison across the season.

You are having an absolute nightmare with this angle.

It isnt accurate for indivdual games and if it was it would be reflected in rating across the season.

Kante was fantastic for Leicester. He lead pretty much all of the league's stats for defensive players (Gueye was 2nd in all of them playing for relegated Villa btw) however for Chelsea while he was still as good a player he wasn't as important in most games.

De Gea plays for one of the top teams. You can't give a player more than 5 or 6 if they do nothing.

Whoscored gives a rating for an individual game nothing more so don't complain if it's not applicable how you use it. It doesn't try and rate players. It ranks their averages. That's the difference.
 
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CatalinR10

Senior Member
my man is on dem performance enhancers

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Adversus

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Maybe that's why he played rubbish in his last game. He knew this video was about to be released.

Time to find new friends.
 

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