Mitchell1978
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Vidal might be slightly better right now, but i think Deulofeu has a higher ceiling, don't know if its high enough for barça though.
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Vidal might be slightly better right now, but i think Deulofeu has a higher ceiling, don't know if its high enough for barça though.
Absolute nonsense , he's far better than Vidal , who's been another flop in my eyes.
vinni
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Needs more confidence
Im not sure if ill laugh or cry if he do that celebration for Barca. It would be hilarious against Real Madrid
What is an accurate rating?
One that you agree with.
Football may be subjective but Whoscored ratings use a combination of objective stats to create an objective "rating".
It doesn't claim any one player is better than the next just who had a good and bad game. A 10 year old kid can score 10 goals in a kid's game but it doesn't mean he's better than Messi.
As for drilling down into the stats rather than the rating. That's what the algorithm already does. All you would be doing is repeating the same process but allowing human intuition and bias to influence the result plus humans aren't exactly great at crunching numbers. It's debatable whether that's a good or bad thing and would very much depend on the person.
Ironically unknowngenius claiming that he got a 7 when in fact it was a 6.2 just proves it's probably more accurate than you give it credit for. Personally I also thought he had a shocking game and was more than a little surprised but 6.2 is fair.
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JamDav1982
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Of course those ratings are not accurate or to be relied upon.
The amount of players it ranks wrongly shows you that for a start.
There will not be one club in the world who uses those ratings as anything to judge a player on.
The amount of players it ranks wrongly shows you that for a start.
There will not be one club in the world who uses those ratings as anything to judge a player on.
Who does it rank wrongly?
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Go have a look.
No team will use that made up stats based rating to judge plyers on.
For a start it has Suarez and Pique as Barcas 2nd and 3rd best players this season in La Liga.
Who is fourth.... Rakitic.
Case closed your honour.
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If you make a claim then back it up and teams do use stats and algorithms to determine who to buy whether it's their "whoscored" ratings or not plus it's not made up. The algorithm uses real stats.
When I say back it up I'm not talking about the 100 best players etc. The rating is only the rating for one specific game. It also will probably count every goal/assist etc equally when everyone knows the 5th goal is far less important than the first.
It's just another tool and not to be taken as gospel but it's probably just as "accurate" as someone's subjective opinion.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
I did back it up and using stats and some random rating system is totally different.
The ratings of Barca players will show you why no club will use those ratings.
So the opinion that Suarez, Pique and Rakitic have been three of Barcas four best players in La Liga is more accurate than the opinions of those on here who watch the games?
You almost couldnt hand pick three more wrong players for that site to say have been performing well. It gets it spectacularly off.
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I don't think you understand how it works. It's the complete opposite of random. If you supply the same stats to the algorithm you will get exactly the same rating every time. If they wanted to "introduce" human intuition and bias etc they could use a neural network and train it to mimic the results "so called" experts reach.
As for the ratings of Barca's players. Here are the top 5
Lionel Messi 8.95
Luis Suárez 7.51
Gerard Piqué 7.46
Ivan Rakitic 7.40
Nélson Semedo 7.38
Sergi Roberto 7.33
Jordi Alba 7.30
Not sure I would disagree that much but this is also for a woefully small sample (given the season has just started) and using an average is again another attempt on top of the rating system to make sense of the data. You probably have more problem with averages than their ratings algorithm.
The big flaw in the rating system that I see is when people try and use it without taking into consideration if a player is subbed or comes on as a sub it skews the results.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
It is random in how it weights different stats and not reflecting players peformances as the Barca example.
Terrible idea to point to whoscored ratings ahead of actually watching the players as has been show.
The fact you dont disgaree with much shows you domt watch Barca as Suarez, Pique and Rakitic have been nowhere near three of Barcas top four players.
If you want to use it go ahead but dont expect anyone else to stick to the flawed ratings it produces.
You are the one that doesnt seem to understand.
Terrible idea to point to whoscored ratings ahead of actually watching the players as has been show.
The fact you dont disgaree with much shows you domt watch Barca as Suarez, Pique and Rakitic have been nowhere near three of Barcas top four players.
If you want to use it go ahead but dont expect anyone else to stick to the flawed ratings it produces.
You are the one that doesnt seem to understand.
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But it isn't random how it weights those stats. It is either based on human experience or derived from human experience (the neural network approach).
The only reason people think it's a terrible idea is because it's so clinical and objective and people like to think their opinion is "right".
I've watched every Barca game this season and I while I agree Suarez has been poor he has been poor by his standards not an average player's standard. He has scored 2 goals in 3 appearances. For most other centre forwards that would be great.
As for Pique and Rakitic. I think they get a lot of unfair criticism. Pique plays in a defense that has conceeded 2 goals in 6 games all the time playing a high line and being expected to play out from the back even when pressed.
Put it this way. If you don't want those players I'm sure other clubs would.
The one player who is rated very poorly (for his standard) is Iniesta and again while I think in this case it doesn't tell the whole story. What it might indicate is Iniesta gets subbed a lot and his influence is on the wane. Would you disagree with that? Here is a case were the unfeeling computer is saying what everyone just doesn't want to admit.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
It is random how it weighs those stats and could be done a million ways and as Barca this season shows it can get it totally wrong is nothing to be relied upon.
Terrible way of judging players performances.
Suarez has been poor by any players standards even with the goals.
Those players who have been amongst the worst have been rated amongst the highest.
Awful thing to quote is whoscored ratings.
Quick look at EPL last season it has fucking Pogba as third best player and Kante as 34th behind players like Gueye, Henderson, Antonio, Ozil....
It is nothing to be pointed to and you dont even know if it has different criteria for each position.
Terrible way of judging players performances.
Suarez has been poor by any players standards even with the goals.
Those players who have been amongst the worst have been rated amongst the highest.
Awful thing to quote is whoscored ratings.
Quick look at EPL last season it has fucking Pogba as third best player and Kante as 34th behind players like Gueye, Henderson, Antonio, Ozil....
It is nothing to be pointed to and you dont even know if it has different criteria for each position.
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