Necro Spaaw
NeSaVlaDiV
Depends. Victor is better for our system. Casillas is better for Spain
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Necro Spaaw
NeSaVlaDiV
strong, wildlike reflexes and run-ins.. that's his strong points imo and barca gets countered most of time times, more often than not. so this is exactly wat we need. he may lack a little in the air but that's all he lacks.. while Casillas ,ight be "just better" as u put it overall, he is nowhere near being as good for Barca as Victor is, noone is except perhaps Julio Cesar imo. Remember Henry's 2nd goal against Madrid?
Quash
Ricky Martin clone
No I mean it makes not a shred of sense. If we get countered or have to defend a Fk, penalty or corner or not, someone's still shooting at our goal and it's the keeper's job to block it. He doesn't "suit our style", he's not an outfielder, he has fuckall effect on our style. Casillas is better than him both in the air and at reflex saves (You cannot deny it, I mean even when we emasculated them 6-2 Casillas still made at least 8 world class saves to keep the score in single figures), therefore he is a better keeper. I will say though, Victor is very consistent whereas Casillas seems to have some games where he just gives up and doesn't seem to give a fuck. Usually when his defence are getting carved open.
Saved me some time of explaining why Casillas is a better keeper. :beer2: Well said mate.
Necro Spaaw
NeSaVlaDiV
sure I can, Valdes has better reflexes than Casillas.
Valdes closes down better on counter-attacks (runs in)
he isn't that bad in the air, he's improving
and sure u can talk about style or system even wit goalkeepers, not all defences defend the same way.. our CB's defend differently than, say, Chelseas cuz of our different play-style, so u can, in fact, talk about variations everywhere, even in the GK spot.
he is the best for our system.. only GK I can see better than him is Julio Cesar here
why? he didn't say anything except Casillas is better in the air?
dude, VV WON US THE CL. do you guys understand that? if only one of those Drogba 1-on-ones went trough we wouldn't be talking about a historic season rite now.
NebbyCulé
Member
I agree with you, People love and criticize Valdés
mobster_1930
New member
I can't agree with you guys. Casillas is better than Valdes. Just rememeber how many times did Casillas saved Madrid, how many times he was their best player. Valdes can be good sometimes, but he is prone to stupid mistakes. I was so convinced that we would lose la liga this year because of his mistakes against A. Madrid (forlan's goal) and Valencia. OK, he is really good at important matches, but Casillas is also. Maybe he has better reflexes and all, but Casillas is way more solid and reliable than Valdes. I don't know about Valdes, but i hope that his stupid mistakes are past and i have some feeling that Valdes is late boomer, I expect his biggest form for 5-6 years when he will be 33-34.
Quash
Ricky Martin clone
No, you can't. You're totally right when you say chelsea's CBs are different to ours - they are outfielders. A keeper's task is exactly the same regardless of team, style or approach, and is not in any way influenced by how the other 10 play (Unless they're pish and the keeper is constantly forced to make saves). Casillas running out for Henry's 2nd was a complete brainfuck moment, exactly the same as VV against Villa, Juninho and De la Pena. Doesn't mean he has a different "style", that of charging out like a nutter. I'm against the constant bashing of VV but honestly, if you cannot concede that Casillas is better you need to take off the blaugrana tinted glasses.
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Gnegneri
immaculately conceived
Holy fck! Imagine you're a fierce supporter of Cameroon. You would see everything in 3D all the time!
veryfatchocobo
New member
uh.... This is exactly what Casillas has to do every time he plays for Spain. :/
I don't understand why Casillas is only "a little better" here than Valdes.... I consider Valdes a top 10 keeper, but IMO Casillas is f****** out of this world, God tier, just like what the majority of the people here believe. I consider Buffon (somewhat) and definitely Julio Cesar as God tiers, also.
*facepalm for basing Casillas's skills on the 2nd '09 El Clasico* That game is one of the highlights in my lifetime though.
Well your not taking into consideration the defense Valdes has infront of him, and the defense Casillas has. Valdes makes very little saves every match due to Barca keeping possession 80% of the match and having a solid defense of Puyol, Marquez, Pique Etc.
Madrid don't play by keeping possession, that's why Casillas's goal is always under attack half of the time plus Madrid's poor defense the past few seasons, Valdes barely makes 1-2 saves a match, while Casillas is constantly flying around and making save after save. No one is criticizing Valdes here, but I'm not going to say he's the best keeper just because I'm a Barca fan, Casillas is better than him easily IMO.
Necro Spaaw
NeSaVlaDiV
it's even harder to be top-notch on those few occasions, than it is when u've warmed up so to speak. we play with 2-3 defenders whilst madrid plays with 4+ so its all style and I've considered it. I am of the same oppinion.
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