Hans-Dieter Flick

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Ranking of coaches:

1. Pep
2. Flick
3. EV
4. Koeman/Xavi
5. Tata ( guy should have ll title normally)




6. Setien

 

[ajnotkeith]

I don’t understand this obsession to shit on Xavi rather than praising Flick.

Xavi was no bum like Setien or Tata. He won a big trophy in a difficult time for the club. Flick is better. That’s all there is to it.

The point is from what we're seeing the resources were never that bad, winning a big trophy every couple years at least is still the minimum standard and any manager who doesn't do that has to go without question.

A LaLiga in 2 years is bare minimum for a Barca manager, the excuse used at the time is he didn't have enough money for signings and the players are not good enough but we are seeing it clearly that this was not true.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Of course they don't. Point I'm making is that if he won another league title last season, none of that would have mattered.

I agree, but he was sacked because we were moving in a negative direction.

We hadn't seen any improvement in the play and limited progress in Europe, there was not any indication that it would change, especially considering Madrid were getting Mbappe who luckily for us has started slowly (so far).

To top it off, he gave a press conference at the end essentially suggesting we should forget about matching Madrid any time soon which put the nail in the coffin, no Barca manager should say that.

 

[KingLeo10]

The point is from what we're seeing the resources were never that bad, winning a big trophy every couple years at least is still the minimum standard and any manager who doesn't do that has to go without question.

A LaLiga in 2 years is bare minimum for a Barca manager, the excuse used at the time is he didn't have enough money for signings and the players are not good enough but we are seeing it clearly that this was not true.

IMO, you're jumping the gun. Before making statements like "A LL in 2 years is bare minimum for a Barca manager", let's wait and see how the trophy count looks in May.

Flick plays better football without question, but your crusade (for lack of a better word) against Xavi is at best premature and at worst off the mark. Now if Flick wins a CL + LL with this squad in May...Xavi was indeed a bum, by comparison. Let's wait and see. We could also end up trophy less and suddenly, Xavi's LL doesn't look so bad, does it?

 

[ajnotkeith]

IMO, you're jumping the gun. Before making statements like "A LL in 2 years is bare minimum for a Barca manager", let's wait and see how the trophy count looks in May.

Flick plays better football without question, but your crusade (for lack of a better word) against Xavi is at best premature and at worst off the mark. Now if Flick wins a CL + LL with this squad in May...Xavi was indeed a bum, by comparison. Let's wait and see. We could also end up trophy less and suddenly, Xavi's LL doesn't look so bad, does it?

It depends how... if we end trophyless with a 90 point season and a CL final appearance, it is better even though we didn't have any trophies, for example. It depends on how Madrid play and also how we do in Europe.

Of course, we will have to see exactly how that plays out to make a final judgement.

In the season we won LaLiga, Madrid had a really poor season and didn't put much resistance, they added Bellingham and now Mbappe in the seasons following. If Madrid this season play like 21-22 Madrid then I would expect Flick to win LL without question.

 

[KingLeo10]

It depends how... if we end trophyless with a 90 point season and a CL final appearance, it is better even though we didn't have any trophies, for example. It depends on how Madrid play and also how we do in Europe.

Of course, we will have to see exactly how that plays out to make a final judgement.

In the season we won LaLiga, Madrid had a really poor season and didn't put much resistance, they added Bellingham and now Mbappe in the seasons following. If Madrid this season play like 21-22 Madrid then I would expect Flick to win LL without question.

Well, I disagree.

You can't start offering up "it depends how...", after:

1) picking on Serghei for making such qualifiers for Xavi (I don't agree with all his views on Xavi but you see what I mean no?)

2) Making statements like "1 LL in 2 years is bare minimum for Barca manager" - this sounded rather absolute to me.

Here's a better solution for the anti-Xavi group: Enjoy Flick ball, and come back at end of season to evaluate rather than spending your efforts trying to shit on Xavi in October.

 

[serghei]

Comparison to Xavi is irrelevant as it is. Both are part of the trajectory of this team, Xavi got there early in rebuild, basically first to build the current team, Fick is continuing the job and potentially elevating it to a higher level.

But if you really do care to compare and are adamant about it, Flick has to achieve titles. Falling short is on him also. For example, he could have been +6 going into the Clasico if he didn't fuck up the line-up big time vs Osasuna. Errors like that, even 2-3 of those during the season, can endanger a season's hard effort.

 

[Barcaman]

Xavi never in 3 years had such a run of games of beautiful football.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Well, I disagree.

You can't start offering up "it depends how...", after:

1) picking on Serghei for making such qualifiers for Xavi (I don't agree with all his views on Xavi but you see what I mean no?)

2) Making statements like "1 LL in 2 years is bare minimum for Barca manager" - this sounded rather absolute to me.

Here's a better solution for the anti-Xavi group: Enjoy Flick ball, and come back at end of season to evaluate rather than spending your efforts trying to shit on Xavi in October.

What I said makes sense, we have to see what kind of trophyless season he has if he has one.

Madrid stringing together two incredible seasons in a row practically never happens though, there is a reason its been several decades since they repeated a league title, so I would expect any Barca manager to be able to win at least one big trophy in 2 seasons and if he can't, we have higher ambitions than that.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Comparison to Xavi is irrelevant as it is. Both are part of the trajectory of this team, Xavi got there early in rebuild, basically first to build the current team, Fick is continuing the job and potentially elevating it to a higher level.

But if you really do care to compare and are adamant about it, Flick has to achieve titles. Falling short is on him also. For example, he could have been +6 going into the Clasico if he didn't fuck up the line-up big time vs Osasuna. Errors like that, even 2-3 of those during the season, can endanger a season's hard effort.

For Xavi you gave the excuse that nothing can be won with Pena, so you should praise Flick for managing to achieve a great start to the season with Pena, no?

This argument of trajectory is also a lie, because you were claiming last season a new manager won't improve anything and nobody can compete at the top with such an inadequate squad and transfer budget.

Now the team is ready to compete at the highest level? Before you were saying we are not even close and winning a title against Madrid is a miracle.

 

[serghei]

For Xavi you gave the excuse that nothing can be won with Pena, so you should praise Flick for managing to achieve a great start to the season with Pena, no?

I do praise Flick and like him very much.

 

[Windhook]

Koeman, Xavi and Rafa Marquez have their fingerprints in this Flick's Barca. They might not be great managers, but it has to be acknowledged. Xavi deserves praise especially for his La Masia devotion. Partly due to the financial situation, last season Xavi's La Masia kids proved their quality to keep the club as challenger.

 

[jamrock]

The point is from what we're seeing the resources were never that bad, winning a big trophy every couple years at least is still the minimum standard and any manager who doesn't do that has to go without question.

A LaLiga in 2 years is bare minimum for a Barca manager, the excuse used at the time is he didn't have enough money for signings and the players are not good enough but we are seeing it clearly that this was not true.

🤦🤦, I could pretty easily tear this apart, but it's not even worth the time with you, because you always have some wildly inaccurate takes.

Winning la Liga is the bare minimum for a Barca manager....

Sqaud wasn't that bad.....

You are saying these things, YOU?.

 

[ajnotkeith]

🤦🤦, I could pretty easily tear this apart, but it's not even worth the time with you, because you always have some wildly inaccurate takes.

Winning la Liga is the bare minimum for a Barca manager....

Sqaud wasn't that bad.....

You are saying these things, YOU?.

Go ahead

 

[jamrock]

Go ahead

It's too easy because you are too inconsistent with your opinions, they are all over the place.