iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
I think now is the time for him to show he can win games without gimmick football.
Offside traps or dumbass suicide lines.
Please show some flexibility.
We are begging.
Hans-Dieter Flick
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I think now is the time for him to show he can win games without gimmick football.
Offside traps or dumbass suicide lines.
Please show some flexibility.
We are begging.
Maradona37
Well-known member
Garrincha is better than Henry though, when you strip away the natural fitness advantages. What did Henry ever actually do in the game outside the confines of a PL which wasn't yet the best? He was a bit part player at France 98 and not particularly impressive at any other tournament. Constantly outshined by a far superior player in Zidane. Poor in the CL in general. Failed at Juventus and was past his best at Barcelona despite winning the treble. He was a third wheel behind Messi and Eto'o in that attack.
Garrincha is widely recognised as one of the best players ever and was sensational in Chile 1962. Do some reading and you will find that out. Do you just think anyone who played in the 50s and 60s not named Pele is automatically worse than modern footballers?
The weirdest thing about Henry is this revisionism since he retired that he was an R9 level talent. He was an excellent player but he was much more on Suarez or Benzema level, and I'd take them both over him tbh. Someone like Neymar was much more talented than Henry. I bet you are way too young to have watched him in his prime - he was never as amazing as you believe he was ie an all-time great level player. Honestly Bergkamp was more talented than Henry when they were at Arsenal.
Also you really know nothing about Garrincha referencing his pace on a pointless video game - he didn't need staggering pace, unlike Henry.
Try to reply without engaging in ad homs - I know you can do it.
Outside of World Cup 1962 (or 1958 too), i never see anything mentioned from Garrincha's career. He was known for starting the self destruction of Brazilian football star while Pele was a pro athlete.
He was incredible dribbler too. But overall i find Henry is a better footballer.
iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
You know ball unlike MARADONA97
iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
Lets see what chatGPT has to say
Pick one
If I have to pick one, I would go with Thierry Henry.
Enough said
Pick one
ChatGPT said:
If I have to pick one, I would go with Thierry Henry.
Enough said
Messigician
Senior Member
Messi Suarez Neymar of the forum
Maradona37
Well-known member
Excellent for Botafogo too, in an era when Brazilian football was very very good. But of course to some like IniestaGOAT it doesn't count because it isn't European football in the 21st century.
If you haven't seen anything mentioned from Garrincha's career, that just highlights how he's another forgotten great from a past era, or that maybe you haven't looked hard enough. Amongst serious scholars he is seen as a top 20 player of all time. Henry isn't at that level.
Garrincha is often (not always) considered the second or third best Brazilian ever (Pele and Ronaldo the others). He gets named above Ronaldinho, Romario, Socrates, Gerson, Rivelino, Rivaldo, Didi, even Zico, all of who were also better than Henry for me from watching some full games and some highlights.
Henry, while an excellent talent and player (I'm not saying he isn't one of the best players of his generation), never did anything in his career outside the PL in the early 2000s. He was consistently mediocre at international tournaments and outshined by a vastly superior talent in Zidane. He's a greatest of his generation type player, not a greatest of all time. It's baffling that people elsewhere wanna revise history and act like he had Brazilian Ronaldo levels of ability - he was never close to that.
Not great sources maybe (I can't find many), but here are two places that put Garrincha above Henry. I expect you can find better ones and I expect they'd do similar.
Ranked! The 100 best football players of all time
The 100 best football players who have ever lived: from Messi to Maradona, Cristiano to Cruyff and everyone in between
www.fourfourtwo.com
The 50 greatest footballers of all time
90min ranks the top 50 players to ever play men's professional football - featuring Zidane, Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona and more.
www.90min.com
I am quite surprised by the comments from a few on this forum, as I always thought Garrincha was recognised by most football fans as a top twenty player of all time.
But we can agree to disagree.
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Maradona37
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Mate your disrespect and ignorance of one of the best players ever is actually quite disappointing and very modern fan. Just admit you know nothing about the player and leave it there.
Or learn more about his life here:
Ter Stature
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Btw that Bundesliga defender Barca was all hyped about according to polo or whoever is just getting exposed by a 2. Bundesliga team.
But they're all FREE, and big clubs like Manure and Buyern are also interested, known for their excellent transfers!
But they're all FREE, and big clubs like Manure and Buyern are also interested, known for their excellent transfers!
iniestaGOAT
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Quality manager
Fucking dumbass
Fucking dumbass
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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imo wrong move to sub out lewa and olmo, we should have attacked and tried to win considering celta gave us a lot of space
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