Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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serghei

Senior Member
It's not that the league is much harder it's just the context that's different. He had an OP team, that was clearly ahead of its rivals. Current Barca is not in any way comparable to that Bayern team he took over.

Well, it's easier to be ahead of your rivals when you don't have any. :lol:

Barca had tough games in Spain even in the years where it was even more OP than Bayern. The league is tougher, and the defending and tatical knowledge in it is higher than Bundesliga. Not to mention that the rival of Barcelona has won more big titles than the entire Bundesliga put together.
 

Ter Stature

Active member
Defense isn't a thing in the Blundersliga, that's why players from there tend to struggle elsewhere. Might be the same for coaches.

And I don't see a problem with Fort honestly.
Kounde is the bigger worry because he just always gets beaten in the last matches, I'd like to see if Araujo as RB would be better, because the RB is tasked a lot defensively in this system, but Kounde doesn't go in 1vs1 or tries to block the ball, nor has any pace.
Basically nothing, except a few good forward passes.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Fort is more than solid enough for a RB back up, has shown last season, should have been getting more mini as a sub, flick is just too obsessed with physicality, which is why we are stuck with freaking Martin, as valle grows from strength to strength.

Don't ask for any signings use what you've got, and live with your mistake, he said he was happy with his squad.

Bigger issue is R.S playing us off the field in our last game.

Today was about dumb decisions by 2 players, not getting on him for that, I'm aware a player's individual mistake can destroy a coaches best layed plans, because I got sense.

1 point ahead of Madrid , is really 4 points behind a at minimum, after all this great football and hard work, really sucks.

Because even when they play like shit, they have game winners and refs, they will eventually click, so we have no margin for errors.
 

MontenegrinCuler

Well-known member
This attack on him all over the internet is complete madness lol

If it was any other coach in charge with this squad we would probably be 5-6 points behind Madrid at the moment. His system doesnt work if players lack as much concentration as they did in all matches after El Clasico. Not like I dont put any blame on him, but its nowhere near sufficient for anything more than constructive critics from our fanbase.

We will rise again and these doubters will have to crawl back to their hole unfortunately
 

MontenegrinCuler

Well-known member
Fort is more than solid enough for a RB back up, has shown last season, should have been getting more mini as a sub, flick is just too obsessed with physicality, which is why we are stuck with freaking Martin, as valle grows from strength to strength.

Don't ask for any signings use what you've got, and live with your mistake, he said he was happy with his squad.

Bigger issue is R.S playing us off the field in our last game.

Today was about dumb decisions by 2 players, not getting on him for that, I'm aware a player's individual mistake can destroy a coaches best layed plans, because I got sense.

1 point ahead of Madrid , is really 4 points behind a at minimum, after all this great football and hard work, really sucks.

Because even when they play like shit, they have game winners and refs, they will eventually click, so we have no margin for errors.
They will eventually click with 3 ACL injuries to crucial defenders... dont be so sure about that.

We are definitely in no worse position than they are.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
They will eventually click with 3 ACL injuries to crucial defenders... dont be so sure about that.

We are definitely in no worse position than they are.
Their forwards will click and they have all the money in the world to replace those they lost.

They won the double last season, the best keeper in the world out and militao
 

serghei

Senior Member
If it was any other coach in charge with this squad we would probably be 5-6 points behind Madrid at the moment.

You realize the previous manager won a league title with a near impeccable record? Something like 2.5 points per game? So far he has to at least rise up to that challenge. Then we can talk about doing more and more and establishing some sort of legacy here.

Take it step by step. Beating likes of Madrid and Bayern is amazing. Being outplayed badly by likes of Celta and Sociedad is poor. Those are midtable teams currently, and even if they are hard games away from home, to win things, you are expected to win these games.
 

TheStig

Member
The honeymoon doesn't last forever, we knew Flick's mistakes will come up eventually. Playing Martin, lack of rotation and always with the highline are the most obvious ones but he seems to stubborn to change it. The squad has big holes but he decided those things himself. He could have kept Valle or Faye for LB or just play Fort, he could rest some players more, he could drop the highline when we're 2-0 with a player less but he didn't. Just as he deserved praise in the first months, he deserves criticism now.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
It's not that the league is much harder it's just the context that's different. He had an OP team, that was clearly ahead of its rivals. Current Barca is not in any way comparable to that Bayern team he took over.

Some players clearly overachieved and eventually you get found out when there are gaps in the squad that you patch with Barca B players. Remains to be seen how and if Flick turns it around. But I'm not convinced his football philosophy is one for the long run. Good for cups, where things are decided by moments. For leagues? I don't know.

Another piece of evidence you don't know any ball

Hansi's style is good for leagues, not for cups
It involves a consistent tactical approach that can win more that it can lose, or that can win consistently against teams that are worse than you
That's always the recipe for leagues. Pep does the same too with different football
You can win trebles sometimes if the team peaks really high (like Bayern 2020)


You might get 'found out' in a game, by a team prepared well to hit you on your weak spots.
Tuchel did that in the CL final against Flick, he was unlucky: Neuer had the game of his life and Mbape Neymar missed sitters
 

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