Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

I like Flick's ideas, I don't like the execution. I hated Xavi ideas, but he knew how to execute it.

Both were a bit the opposite of each other, which tbf is hurting Flick in some aspects (defensive fullbacks were assets in the BACK defense, a curse in Flick's "outscoring opponents " rate.

Xavi's ideas where great, he just didn't have the players to execute it.

He's gonna dunk on everyone when he takes over city or arsenal....

 

[jamrock]

If both the Madrid teams win their game in hand,

We are 3rd in the table.

We have lost more games 4, that both have lost combined 3.

We have conceded more goals that both.

In all of last season we lost 5 games.

By match day 18, we have exactly the same amount of points as we have now.

In the year we won the league we had 47 points at this point of the season.

By match day 26, we were 12 points ahead of Madrid and the league was in the bag.

But hey we are 2nd in the champions League group stage, you know priorities.

If I add the CL performance to this and assuming we win against Atleti.

Midterm report card would be a C+, the plus is me being generous.

 

[ZenI]

Last 5-6 weeks:

Sociedad - loss
Leganes - loss (lol)
Betis - draw
Palmas - loss
Vigo - draw

This is simply unacceptable ffs!
Defense is in shambles and Flicks high line is NOT working when everybody casually strolls around and don't press which gives our opponents all time in the world to pick a pass behind the line.
Frenkie has a discomfort or plays shit. Gavi was never IT to begin with. Frenkie needs to fuck off, Gavi should only be backup and not starting because he simply isn't good enough. Ship Frenkie and buy us a grown up midfielder who can play alright week in and week out like for example Zubimendi.
Olmo was fucking amazing until his injury, now he plays like shit - why???
Fermin is a bench player at best.
Lewa turned 50 in a couple of weeks, can't set one fucking foot right!? We need young mobile striker asap!!!
Etc etc etc!!!

Whole teams looks disjointed, uninspired, lazy etc. 0 creativity, 0 threat on goal - what we the fuck is up with Flick???

 

[ZenI]

I like Flick's ideas, I don't like the execution. I hated Xavi ideas, but he knew how to execute it.

Both were a bit the opposite of each other, which tbf is hurting Flick in some aspects (defensive fullbacks were assets in the BACK defense, a curse in Flick's "outscoring opponents " rate.

Outscoring? Couldn't score a single fucking goal at home against the worst team in LL. We ain't outscoring anybody anymore, Lewa can't score for shit!

 

[serghei]

I like Flick's ideas, I don't like the execution. I hated Xavi ideas, but he knew how to execute it.

Both were a bit the opposite of each other, which tbf is hurting Flick in some aspects (defensive fullbacks were assets in the BACK defense, a curse in Flick's "outscoring opponents " rate.

I think Xavi was realistic with regards to the squad he had and brought maximum out of it. He amped up the defense for pragmatic reasons, not anything else imo. A big source of his frustrations actually.

More than a league title and a CL quarters hard to envision considering the squad limitations. We can only wonder what he could have done vs Dortmund in the semis because no way we lose that tie in 11 vs 11 vs PSG. We looked close to sentencing the tie for good before the red.

With Flick, it depends a lot in CL. We played much better in CL than in La Liga so far. A bit of a two-face team. At our best we looked top so far.

 

[Ter Stature]

I hope Atleti demolishes this team, then fatporta signs some more inconsistent bums , plus brazilian frauds and will win even less because the players don't have the mentality.

Cricket Bandwagoners switching to Real again...

 

[serghei]

Flick is trying to implement his ideas on the squad as is, without adapting to it. It's a very brave and difficult attempt. We will see if it's a winning one or not. I see a difference between a realistic approach under Xavi and a passionate ambitious one under Flick.

Of course there are big differences in terms of setup. Xavi was an adept of a stricter positional game and Flick is more a fan of offensive football with more mobility and fluidity. Neither is wrong per se, both bring pluses and minuses.

Execution will be key. There is no merit to trying things and failing because you know before hand what the objective is. To win.

 

[Birdy]

Please bring him back lol

Madritistas mocking you right in your face

and you (Xavi apologists) still don't get a grip

 

[Birdy]

For us that was a massive investment. Xavi signed an aging striker in Lewa when we could have stuck with Auba who loved the club and was doing a great job.
Xavi did f all in Europe. Two consecutive group stage fails and piss poor El campaigns. Had the nerve to say we're too big for the EL. The man was a clown. I'm not going to absolve the players cause they played their part in his sacking too. However, there's a reason he's unemployed. No big club will take a risk on him. They aren't convinced by him.

Lewa signing is entirely on Xavi (who in his narrow-sightedness thought it was cool to get a 35 yr old instead of being patient with an emerging striker)
and on LAporta who wanted to please his buddy Pini

 

[Rory]

Ter Stegen out injured means we'd be in no better position if Xavi was still here, he was heavily reliant on him having the best season of his career to win the league. The guy won player of the season in la liga.

 

[Birdy]

I like Flick's ideas, I don't like the execution. I hated Xavi ideas, but he knew how to execute it.

Both were a bit the opposite of each other, which tbf is hurting Flick in some aspects (defensive fullbacks were assets in the BACK defense, a curse in Flick's "outscoring opponents " rate.

Not really..

Xavi was in theory the new Pep. He knew everything about positional football, all the principles and stuff
He was just clueless on how to execute it properly and make the players understand it

 

[serghei]

Incredible how much Xavi got out of terrorists like Stegen and Dembele. One of his biggest achievements for sure.

 

[Birdy]

Flick is trying to implement his ideas on the squad as is, without adapting to it. It's a very brave and difficult attempt. We will see if it's a winning one or not. I see a difference between a realistic approach under Xavi and a passionate ambitious one under Flick.

Of course there are big differences in terms of setup. Xavi was an adept of a stricter positional game and Flick is more a fan of offensive football with more mobility and fluidity. Neither is wrong per se, both bring pluses and minuses.

Execution will be key. There is no merit to trying things and failing because you know before hand what the objective is. To win.

All great managers do that.
Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Slot, you name it

The whole idea of 'adapting to the squad' is for teams fighting relegations and midtable mentality managers

 

[serghei]

All great managers do that.
Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Slot, you name it

The whole idea of 'adapting to the squad' is for teams fighting relegations and midtable mentality managers

Yeah you're clueless. They do that after spending 800-1bn on players they want. And some still don't win.

Without heavy financing to shape the squad the way you want, adapting to the squad limitations is pretty much your best bet to get wins.

Modern football 101 you still fail to process.

 

[Birdy]

Yeah you're clueless. They do that after spending 800-1bn on players they want. And some still don't win.

Slot did not spend a pound last summer,
Pep did not spend at Bayern,
Arteta started implementing his playstyle before starting to spend
Same with Klopp before the 'smart buys' like Salah etc.
Tons of other examples...

None of them 'adapted' to the squad they had. They started teaching and imposing their ideas from day 1...

You are indeed clueless.
You have confused football with FM