Hans-Dieter Flick
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serghei
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Xavi like Pep started with emphasis on wingers that could individually solve duels and stretch teams. Pep had 2 1vs1 beasts, both Henry and Messi, capable to destabilize opponents, needing double or even triple marking, with 20+ goals in them while starting from wide positions in build-up. He had a luxury team.
In 22-23 before Lewa had his form drop abysmally and Dembele got injured, we used to put up top stuff attacking wise with Xavi.
Of course, as some of this form faded, in the 2nd part of the season we added an extra midfielder, and learned to suffer for wins.
In 22-23 before Lewa had his form drop abysmally and Dembele got injured, we used to put up top stuff attacking wise with Xavi.
Of course, as some of this form faded, in the 2nd part of the season we added an extra midfielder, and learned to suffer for wins.
Ter Stature
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Fact is Barca is creating enough chances even with offensively shit FB. I'm more worried that defensively they're also shit.
7 big chances last game, you will never get more except against some absolute bottom tier relegation side.
Some are clearly fucking BLIND. The chance creation is not the problem.
7 big chances last game, you will never get more except against some absolute bottom tier relegation side.
Some are clearly fucking BLIND. The chance creation is not the problem.
jamrock
Senior Member
I'm just realizing that we've lose 3 games at home back to back, that has to be a recent record if not overall.
After Madrid and Atleti wins there game in hand, we will be closer to 4th than 2nd.
2 points ahead of Bilboa
5 behind Madrid.
Rudiger is going to clown is even more now 😂.
After Madrid and Atleti wins there game in hand, we will be closer to 4th than 2nd.
2 points ahead of Bilboa
5 behind Madrid.
Rudiger is going to clown is even more now 😂.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Serghei has a good point, it's important to have a plan to win even when your players are stupid.
A lot of blame falls on the players, but its also up to Flick to grind out all the results possible and our play has lacked pragmatism.
A lot of blame falls on the players, but its also up to Flick to grind out all the results possible and our play has lacked pragmatism.
Birdy
Senior Member
We had 4.25 xG in the home loss to Girona last year. 3.37 last night. So we created more and clearer chances vs Girona. The situation in the last few games has been similar to what happened last season in some matches.
EITHER you are dumb (which you are most likely NOT)
OR you have a thing with manipulating TRUTH purposefully to suit your agenda
Guess what? You are doing the latter YET AGAIN
In every game one has to look at the BIG chances each team created.
At Camp Nou against Girona last season:
5 big chances for Barca, 5 for Girona
In contrast, last night:
5 BIG chances only in the 2nd half (6 in total),
0 big chances for Atleti the whole game before min. 96'
So, the two games are not comparable.
Last season against Girona we deserved at best a draw.
Last night we deserved a good 5-0
jamrock
Senior Member
End result we lost both.
But I'm sure if I searched, to find something matching your words just now re the girona game, I won't find it.
Agenda's.
Would be pleasantly surprised if I did,but I dount it.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
If this team needs a more defensive approach to win games, it is unfortunately what needs to be done.
What I don't get, even though I rate Flick and think he is a great manager, is why we can't vary our approach vs the big and the small teams. It certainly isn't his fault the players miss a lot of chances, but if that is the reality of the team, we have to work around it.
We can see clearly that his system is great against teams that attack and leave space on the break. This problem could easily be sorted if Flick was more flexible and modelled the games against small teams as Xavi did, with more game control and focus on defense. Xavi's Barcelona was very effective against worse teams and bad against top teams. Flick is the opposite, great against top teams and poor against bad teams, and that's not good either.
Take a bit from both managers and we'll have a quality and flexible setup.
What I don't get, even though I rate Flick and think he is a great manager, is why we can't vary our approach vs the big and the small teams. It certainly isn't his fault the players miss a lot of chances, but if that is the reality of the team, we have to work around it.
We can see clearly that his system is great against teams that attack and leave space on the break. This problem could easily be sorted if Flick was more flexible and modelled the games against small teams as Xavi did, with more game control and focus on defense. Xavi's Barcelona was very effective against worse teams and bad against top teams. Flick is the opposite, great against top teams and poor against bad teams, and that's not good either.
Take a bit from both managers and we'll have a quality and flexible setup.
jamrock
Senior Member
That's all some of us have been saying for weeks.
Situational awareness as I put it a few weeks ago.
No one is saying he should completely change his style, but sometimes you have to read the game and make practical adjustments, every coach does it.
So far in flicks entire management career he doesn't seem capable.
Does sqaud needs adjustments, Yes. But it's also good enough to win the league, it's been done before and he show himself what the team is capable of at the start.
But when things are going south, no one cares about statistics, why do you think Trump won lol, inflation is going down statistically, but the people are still feeling the pitch.
He needs to be more pragmatics at times, you'll never win every game 3-1/4-2.
Birdy
Senior Member
So you think it is acceptable in a Barcelona - Girona game at home to have as many big chances as your opponent?
I think we saw a different approach yesterday and against Leganes.
Both teams camped in their own box with 0 spaces left behind.
We carved them open and created tons of clear chances.
LAst night, Flick also switched to single pivot with 2 interiors
If what people say was true and Flickball was only good in open spaces, we wouldn't be able to get any clear chance against these sides
Haraldinho
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Do we use video for training ? This club is very weird in large aspects.
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