Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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Messigician said:
If we had attacking fullbacks then sure but this squad is more suited for someone like Tuchel or Valverde
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The last sentence is true.

Xavi success was dependent on BACK defense being elite, while Raphinha and Lewa making the best of any chance we create.

Those were all concerns before he joined btw.

But Barca as a club, it's core identity is playing attacking football, win or lose. And we wanted to change this identity.

A key was to find a way to play attacking and quick football, Flick actually does that.

The big question is whether or not we are going to have funds to support the changes we need. If we can afford to spend 120M+ next season, then I get it. If we don't then it was pointless hiring indeed.
 
serghei

serghei

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I dispute the idea that we didn't play attacking football under Xavi. I don't know what are the solid arguments for this. I think when we lost games, we lost them while still being the team that created most chances during those matches.

It's more an individual perception thing than something that is firmly established factually.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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serghei said:
If it can't happen then he is almost surely gone. The team will continue to lose points. You need a stellar offensive line to treat defense as an aftertought.
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Most likely yes, he will be gone unless we don't have anymore injuries, which would allow the squad to rotate better. Araujo and Christensen alone elevates the team a level btw. They just don't play.

To give him his props, defense isn't an afterthought. His system is dependent on mixing pressing and offside trap.

If you press well enough, passers don't get the chance to make the right pass, Mbappe wasn't stupid player sitting in offside, it was just he always received the ball a second too late because of no elite pssser and high pressing suffocating opponents. The offside trap depends on pressing more than defenders.

It is still a risky system, and not the best if your goal isn't to concede, but if you have attacking ability, it is well worth it.

Now it doesn't work, because we don't have legs for pressing, we don't have attacking depth, and Liga being worst league to expose it (I explained this in details a week ago).
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
serghei said:
I dispute the idea that we didn't play attacking football under Xavi. I don't know what are the solid arguments for this. I think when we lost games, we lost them while still being the team that created most chances during those matches.

It's more an individual perception thing than something that is firmly established factually.
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When we won Liga, we conceded 20 goals, 13 goals less than any opponents, with 6 conceded goals in last 5 games after we won the league.

2nd best is Atletico, with 33 conceded goal. That's astronomical difference.

Goals for? RM 75, Barca and Atletico 70 goals each.
 
serghei

serghei

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khaled_a_d said:
Most likely yes, he will be gone unless we don't have anymore injuries, which would allow the squad to rotate better. Araujo and Christensen alone elevates the team a level btw. They just don't play.

To give him his props, defense isn't an afterthought. His system is dependent on mixing pressing and offside trap.

If you press well enough, passers don't get the chance to make the right pass, Mbappe wasn't stupid player sitting in offside, it was just he always received the ball a second too late because of no elite pssser and high pressing suffocating opponents. The offside trap depends on pressing more than defenders.

It is still a risky system, and not the best if your goal isn't to concede, but if you have attacking ability, it is well worth it.

Now it doesn't work, because we don't have legs for pressing, we don't have attacking depth, and Liga being worst league to expose it (I explained this in details a week ago).
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I understand all this. And the theoretical benefits of Flick's ideas are clear, which is why I believe in him for now despite the poor results in the league.

But the implementation part is vital, and he can't make without it. Many managers compromise, and make adjustments to what they'd ideally prefer, to ensure that their plan is feasible and is not wishful thinking.

I don't know if you value this or not, but that's how it is for me. How do you know that, for example, Xavi didn't make some tactical adjustments because he knew the squad he had was not capable to play something more daring? How do you know he didn't adjust to simply increase our chances to win a championship against a net superior rival?

I think the major reason for his implosion is that he constantly felt he could not implement his vision because he didn't have the tools to build a good enough squad for that.
 
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