Hans-Dieter Flick

[JamDav1982]

What do you mean by that? Flick benefits from the investments of Xavi era. In full.

You claimed Barca could not be expected to do more as too many players not in prime years and constantly pointed to how much money other teams spend.

Not such an issue now?

Xavi won league on back of players Koeman had and improved if want to go down that road.

Your answer here says it all really.

 

[serghei]

You claimed Barca could not be expected to do more as too many players not in prime years and constantly pointed to how much money other teams spend.

Not such an issue now?

Xavi won league on back of players Koeman had and improved if want to go down that road.

Your answer here says it all really.

I don't expect us to win the CL mate. Of course it will be noted if we knock out much bigger spenders in CL.

But make no mistake, walking the league is not a small feat. Neither is being 4-2 vs PSG in the quarter finals until one player completely fucks you over.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't expect us to win the CL mate. Of course it will be noted if we knock out much bigger spenders in CL.

No the argument put forward whenever folk pointed out Xavi should be doing more with these players was constantly.. 'too young and dont have finances of other clubs'.

Claiming years away.

I doubt anyone expects Barca to win the CL..

Pedri is prime example.

If you are trying to give credit to Xavi for Pedri and say he develped him after for so long saying Pedri was not as good as folk make out under Xavi that is a fair shift.

 

[DonAK]

Wasn't Xavi complaining about the same investments or struggling to getting the max out of them?

I don't believe Xavi deserves much credit for Flick getting the better out of a year older and more declined Lewandowski and Raphinha whom Xavi kept subbing off constantly which Raphinha himself spoke about in an interview a couple of months ago.

 

[JamDav1982]

Wasn't Xavi complaining about the same investments or struggling to getting the max out of them?

I don't believe Xavi deserves much credit for Flick getting the better out of a year older and more declined Lewandowski and Raphinha whom Xavi kept subbing off constantly which Raphinha himself spoke about in an interview a couple of months ago.

Yeah its a bizarre shift and only way to go back on arguments made for Xavi not doing more at time.

Clear as day likes of Pedri were not handled to their maximum with positions Xavi had him playing and his training etc. But then it was all about how over rated and frail Pedri is and Xavi couldnt do more.

 

[serghei]

No the argument put forward whenever folk pointed out Xavi should be doing more with these players was constantly.. 'too young and dont have finances of other clubs'.

Claiming years away.

I doubt anyone expects Barca to win the CL..

Xavi should do more? More than what? 2.5 per game in La Liga and winning it by 10 points ahead of CL holders?

Argument didn't make much sense. Xavi adapted to the team he had and achieved titles and improved us in the CL a lot. The way he saw fit. It doesn't mean other managers could not have done more either. You simply have to respect what he did and what he achieved.

 

[serghei]

You make it sound as if what Flick is doing atm is some kind of proof that Xavi was a fool. It's incredibly far from what occured.

 

[JamDav1982]

Xavi should do more? More than what? 2.5 per game in La Liga and winning it by 10 points ahead of CL holders?

Argument didn't make much sense. Xavi adapted to the team he had and achieved titles and improved us in the CL a lot. The way he saw fit. It doesn't mean other managers could not have done more either. You simply have to respect what he did and what he achieved.

Yeah more with players he had more often.

One league title was good but should have been competing more in Europe etc, cups and not folding as often as did last season.

The argument Barca players were years away from being expected more of and needing hundreds of millions did not make sense.

As said Pedri is prime example..'too frail, over rated.. not in peak years' not Xavis fault.

 

[JamDav1982]

You make it sound as if what Flick is doing atm is some kind of proof that Xavi was a fool. It's incredibly far from what occured.

Xavi was not a fool... he was not held back in ways made out and too much nonsense about liles of Pedri and others and the squad Barca had being sub par due to how much other teams spent.

He did ok job and won a league while failing badly in just about anything else.

 

[serghei]

Yeah more with players he had more often.

One league title was good but should have been competing more in Europe etc, cups and not folding as often as did last season.

The argument Barca players were years away from being expected more of and needing hundreds of millions did not make sense.

As said Pedri is prime example..'too frail, over rated.. not in peak years' not Xavis fault.

Yeah, of course you can do better. Hell, if Flick didn't lose so many points to weak teams he'd have the league in the bag almost. Yet he failed in those games. It's football.

Xavi's team was very raw in CL. You could see progress in CL from season to season, with the last season being the closest to a CL semifinal since 2019. We could have done more, but it was still progress. Progress that Flick benefits from today.

 

[JamDav1982]

Lets look at Pedri.

What has changed in Pedri since last season?

Is he the result of Xavis coaching? Or has Flick been the one to raise his level?

If Flick fails can look at reasons why when he is done.

 

[serghei]

It is clear that all offensive players are becoming better under Flick. Even Ferran is playing his best football at Barca atm.

 

[JamDav1982]

It is clear that all offensive players are becoming better under Flick.

Yeah but Pedri is playing in a less offensive role. Xavi had him stuck up beside Lewa like a 2nd striker at times.

Do you put down his level to Xavi and say it is example of work he did?

I doubt very much if players were poor the same logic would be used.

If Barca win does Xavi does deserve some credit for the players perfoming?

 

[serghei]

So much talk about nothing. Respect Xavi's work and achievements and trust Flick to bring us further. Should be easy.

 

[JamDav1982]

So much talk about nothing. Respect Xavi's work and achievements and trust Flick to bring us further. Should be easy.

No its a clear point on players improving.

Will Xavi get credit given this season if these players win the league or CL?

The answer to that is clearly yes by other posts.

Pedri is a clear example of player trsnsformed so far this season to look at.