Is it time to sack Lucho?

[Behrox]

Sure and Lucho might realise that and switch back to a central midfield based play if he finds that the other alternatives are worse. BUT you've got to give him time to experiment and figure that out. Because, once again, Barca are in a period of transition. Infact, it would have been irresponsible of Lucho to not try out a different system and go with the already-proven-to-be-found-out central midfield focus right from the start of his tenure.

My own perspective is that Barca, with it's current players and current football climate, would benefit from an Argentina 4-4-2ish approach. I think it would be a lot more successful than the "4-3-3 the true BARCA way" midfield that a lot of people are clamoring for. Will Lucho go for it? I don't know. Will the press allow him to do it? Don't think so. Will the local fans like to give up their identity and become a more defensive oriented team? Maybe, but probably not.

But you're never going to find out if you sack managers two months in and/or do not support him fully during his tenure. What do you think would happen with the new manager if you sack Lucho? He will come in a football and political climate where he would be under immense pressure from all sides to return to Barca's roots (even though it is clearly unfeasible with the current crop) because everyone is tired of these non-Barca formation experiments. Do you really think this brings a guarantee for success in the future? Essentially you're hoping to luck out on everything coming together a la Pep.

its been more than 10 games for him to see it. I would have clinged on to even 1 thing he had changed to make the team better but I am yet to see it (benching Pique doesn't count). We look to be regressing every passing game and there is very little hope from what I have seen so far that Lucho has the brains to turn this trainwreak around

 

[KAWSHIK123]

I was never a fan of this appointment,he was a complete failure in Roma,this job was always going to be too big for him.l think we should bring someone experience like kloop who can put his own philosophy in the team.

 

[footyfan]

its been more than 10 games for him to see it. I would have clinged on to even 1 thing he had changed to make the team better but I am yet to see it (benching Pique doesn't count). We look to be regressing every passing game and there is very little hope from what I have seen so far that Lucho has the brains to turn this trainwreak around

Not really. Until the Real Madrid game, Barca did not even concede a goal and Bravo set a record. So really, only 3 games (+PSG) where his system failed him. You have to wait until atleast the winter transfer window before making any judgments.

 

[Ini8]

If we sack him, we could hire Antic again as a caretaker. He did okay his last time here, although that's 11 years ago.

 

[Martindn]

If you are quick you can snap Moyesey up. I heard he was good.

 

[Ghostmaster]

If you are quick you can snap Moyesey up. I heard he was good.

You just never know which manager will work out, it's always a gamble. Look at Allegri for example, awful at Milan and now is doing just fine with different team and different players, got biggest win for Juventus in 30 years today by the way.

 

[maxmss]

Good luck with finding a manager who can play without midfield. Currently we have Rakitic who's at 1st year with Barca, Xavi who's too old, Rafinha who's too young and I don't see anything special in him, Iniesta in out of shape, Busquets out of shape, Sergie Roberto un-experienced and nothing special. Kroos was an option for us to buy but it wasn't Lucho's decision to buy him or not. If Iniesta and Busy start playing better we can crash any team in Europe. If not, we have to wait and see who can be developed into midfield position. If you remember Xavi was on the bench beginning of the season and everyone was wondering if he's going to play at all, now our midfield is so bad that Lucho has to bring him in to save the games. If Barca buys Koke at the end of the season we will have a good squad for years to come. To me Koke is the missing link.

 

[DonAK]

Maybe if Lucho actually played with a midfield things would turn out to be a bit better? Why talk about having no midfield and our midfielders not doing well when our current manager's plan is to play without a midfield at all.

 

[Maria]

Good luck with finding a manager who can play without midfield. Currently we have Rakitic who's at 1st year with Barca, Xavi who's too old, Rafinha who's too young and I don't see anything special in him, Iniesta in out of shape, Busquets out of shape, Sergie Roberto un-experienced and nothing special. Kroos was an option for us to buy but it wasn't Lucho's decision to buy him or not. If Iniesta and Busy start playing better we can crash any team in Europe. If not, we have to wait and see who can be developed into midfield position. If you remember Xavi was on the bench beginning of the season and everyone was wondering if he's going to play at all, now our midfield is so bad that Lucho has to bring him in to save the games. If Barca buys Koke at the end of the season we will have a good squad for years to come. To me Koke is the missing link.

And you know this how? Because from what I've understood from Zubi and from what the catalan papers have written since July it was Lucho's decision to buy only Rakitic because he trusts Rafinha. So sorry, but unlike Tata Lucho has exactly the players he wants so if we don't have a midfield is because of him(and if we are to discuss tactics also I have a hard time believing that a midfielder could actually play well with Lucho).

Maybe if Lucho actually played with a midfield things would turn out to be a bit better? Why talk about having no midfield and our midfielders not doing well when our current manager's plan is to play without a midfield at all.

Yep..for example you know that Pep or Ancelotti will get the best from their midfielders. From what I've seen from Lucho with Barca B and with Barca he is exactly the opposite.

 

[Alarcón]

You just never know which manager will work out, it's always a gamble. Look at Allegri for example, awful at Milan and now is doing just fine with different team and different players, got biggest win for Juventus in 30 years today by the way.

Everyone is awful at Milan tbf

 

[maxmss]

Maybe if Lucho actually played with a midfield things would turn out to be a bit better? Why talk about having no midfield and our midfielders not doing well when our current manager's plan is to play without a midfield at all.

Again,Lucho doesn't have a midfield. Rafinha is not a Baraca level midfield. Iniesta and Busy are horrible for even National Team. You cannot play something you don't have or it's below mediocre level.

And you know this how? Because from what I've understood from Zubi and from what the catalan papers have written since July it was Lucho's decision to buy only Rakitic because he trusts Rafinha. So sorry, but unlike Tata Lucho has exactly the players he wants so if we don't have a midfield is because of him(and if we are to discuss tactics also I have a hard time believing that a midfielder could actually play well with Lucho).

Well, papers write whatever they are told. Doesn't mean that's the truth. Every club does this trick. Barca was already short on cash and couldn't get the players they wanted so they claimed that Lucho is OK with that. They were chasing Koke and if they were able to get him on acceptable terms no Rafinha would have stopped them.

Yep..for example you know that Pep or Ancelotti will get the best from their midfielders. From what I've seen from Lucho with Barca B and with Barca he is exactly the opposite.

And he got the best of Rafinha at Celta . Barca is different universe.

 

[Flavia]

Well, papers write whatever they are told. Doesn't mean that's the truth. Every club does this trick. Barca was already short on cash and couldn't get the players they wanted so they claimed that Lucho is OK with that. They were chasing Koke and if they were able to get him on acceptable terms no Rafinha would have stopped them.

Short on cash??? They had the next 2 windows money to spend, because of the impending ban. There's no market for Barcelona next summer, if you forgot. Zubi and Lucho weren't short on cash, there was money left after all transfers were done. Koke didn't want to leave atletico, and they declined to get kroos because of roberto and rafinha. Maria is completely right, Lucho has the players he wanted.

 

[Dida]

1. When Barca played Madrid he made some stupid decisions, for example he put Mathiew at LB (supposably because he has more defensive work rate then Alba, which may be true, but keep in mind he was up the pitch most of the game and his attacking skills aren't as good as Jordi Alba's) So why start Mathiew?

2. That same game, Busquets was absolutely terrible. Mascherano should of been starting CDM. And have Bartra/Mathiew play CB with Pique.

3. Why in gods name was Luis Suarez a starter? I know he had been playing with the FCB B team, but him to debut in La Liga vs Madrid with no competitive activity the last few months is just UN-LOGICAL, considering Munir had been playing at a good level, and Messi & Neymar where coming with good chemistry the last couple of games.

Stupid rookie mistakes. Many of his decisions have been retarded so far, but it's way too early to start thinking he might get sacked in my opinion.

 

[maxmss]

Short on cash??? They had the next 2 windows money to spend, because of the impending ban. There's no market for Barcelona next summer, if you forgot. Zubi and Lucho weren't short on cash, there was money left after all transfers were done. Koke didn't want to leave atletico, and they declined to get kroos because of roberto and rafinha. Maria is completely right, Lucho has the players he wanted.

You are completely wrong if you think that Barca had unlimited cash. With current purchases Barca is pretty much is breaking even with the cash flow. Barca needs to unload some players in order to acquire new ones otherwise you will struggle to pay salaries and maintenance fees. That's a fact and please don't argue with me on financial matters.
Regarding Kroos: I read a log article about Kroos. Kroos left Bayern because he felt that Pep doesn't care for him. Otherwise why he would leave his own country and his club that pretty much on the rise. When Kroos was first offered to Barca, Lucho gave his OK to get him. There was a presentation in Barca HQ for Kroos and one of the Barca recruiters was able to convince everyone that Kroos is not suited for Barca. The fact that Pep and Bayern let him leave just was another argument to opt out Kroos. The article I read wasn't based on rumors , it had even presentation dates in it. The only thing wasn't disclosed was the recruiters name. It wasn't Lucho's decision: They usually ask the coach if he wants the player or not, the final decision is made by the club.

 

[Flavia]

You are completely wrong if you think that Barca had unlimited cash. With current purchases Barca is pretty much is breaking even with the cash flow. Barca needs to unload some players in order to acquire new ones otherwise you will struggle to pay salaries and maintenance fees. That's a fact and please don't argue with me on financial matters, that's my specialty.
Regarding Kroos: I read a log article about Kroos. Kroos left Bayern because he felt that Pep doesn't care for him. Otherwise why he would leave his own country and his club that pretty much on the rise. When Kroos was first offered to Barca, Lucho gave his OK to get him. There was a presentation in Barca HQ for Kroos and one of the Barca recruiters was able to convince everyone that Kroos is not suited for Barca. The fact that Pep and Bayern let him leave just was another argument to opt out Kroos. The article I read wasn't based on rumors , it had even presentation dates in it. The only thing wasn't disclosed was the recruiters name. It wasn't Lucho's decision: They usually ask the coach if he wants the player or not, the final decision is made by the club.

Oh, it's your specialty?

There was money left after the window closed. They didn't even spend all of the money they separated for this past window, as it was the last one in which Barça could buy players for a while, so buying well was crucial. And yet they failed on the midfield and rb. Kroos is showing just how wrong these people are, if any of what you say it's true, ofc. Because it's a funny argument you made. The article YOU read isn't based on rumors, yet you claimed before that the press write whatever they are told to, right? So freaking funny.