Isco

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Flavia

Guest
You guys saying it's not that bad should ask to someone to kick you in the knee, as hard as isco did. Neymar could had gotten injured. It wouldn't be career ending, but it could be serious.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
It was a clear red and a dirty foul but no way does a kick to the knee alone cause a career threatening injury. Ligament tears are caused by impact with bodyweight level force applied to the knee at an improper angle (landing incorrectly or, as in Messi's recent injury, feeling an impact in the joint with a person's full weight behind it). I don't ever recall a knee ligament injury occurring in the non-planted leg of a player. Isco did catch Neymar at a bad spot but not nearly with that level of power. That's not to redeem him of his wrongdoing but it just shows he was being a frustrated cunt and not a genuinely malicious career-ender.

The reactions are over the top as well. Isco fouled him intentionally and was red-carded and should get a deserving suspension but now he's somehow the devil himself? lol. Our own players have made bad tackles in frustration or bad judgement, it's not uncommon. He just couldn't keep his cool and that's less than I'd expect from him.
 
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Morten

Senior Member
You guys saying it's not that bad should ask to someone to kick you in the knee, as hard as isco did. Neymar could had gotten injured. It probably wouldn't be career ending, but it could be serious.

Potentially, every tackle, bad or not can cause a serious injury. Thats just nitpicking.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
I was referring more to his taunting and occasional dirty plays.
Some people here sound as if he's Iniesta.

Neymar was starting to wind them up with flcks etc and good on him. Real started to kick the Barca players before Neymar did any of that and he was just giving it back to them in humiliation to show it was having next to no effect.

Neymar does wind the opposition players up and personally I love it as the vast majority of time he is doing it in retaliation to players trying to wind him up not him trying to make fool of poor innocent players.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Deserves a 3 match ban for violent conduct.

Enters a select group of RM players who couldn't handle being humiliated by Messi, Neymar and Co, along with Ramos, Marcelo, Pepe and Arbeloa.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Now you are discussing something completely different. We were talking about injuries and tackles, intention got little to do with it.

Little to do? His intent was to injury Neymar. That's why he aimed for his knee. Neymar was lucky that leg was in the air. If it was the one supporting his weight...
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Now you are discussing something completely different. We were talking about injuries and tackles, intention got little to do with it.

People seem to be dwelling on the idea of the kick being a potential bad injury as it allows them to stick up for Isco a bit as it wasnt 'as bad as that'.

It was a disgusting/thuggish tackle. The chances of long term injury or it being a one off from a nice lad is irrelevant. He tried to hurt Neymar and there was malice behind it.
 

Morten

Senior Member
People seem to be dwelling on the idea of the kick being a potential bad injury as it allows them to stick up for Isco a bit as it wasnt 'as bad as that'.

It was a disgusting/thuggish tackle. The chances of long term injury or it being a one off from a nice lad is irrelevant. He tried to hurt Neymar and there was malice behind it.

Yeah, but somehow people here think that the intent somehow changes everything. Because there was intent, somehow the tackle is much more dangerous than it otherwise would have been.
 

Morten

Senior Member
Little to do? His intent was to injury Neymar. That's why he aimed for his knee. Neymar was lucky that leg was in the air. If it was the one supporting his weight...

Let me ask you, if there were no intent, would the tackle automatically been much less dangerous?
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
It was a clear red and a dirty foul but no way does a kick to the knee alone cause a career threatening injury. Ligament tears are caused by impact with bodyweight level force applied to the knee at an improper angle (landing incorrectly or, as in Messi's recent injury, feeling an impact in the joint with a person's full weight behind it). I don't ever recall a knee ligament injury occurring in the non-planted leg of a player. Isco did catch Neymar at a bad spot but not nearly with that level of power. That's not to redeem him of his wrongdoing but it just shows he was being a frustrated cunt and not a genuinely malicious career-ender.

The reactions are over the top as well. Isco fouled him intentionally and was red-carded and should get a deserving suspension but now he's somehow the devil himself? lol. Our own players have made bad tackles in frustration or bad judgement, it's not uncommon. He just couldn't keep his cool and that's less than I'd expect from him.

Thank you
 

Albo

New member
If as ridiculous thing as "insulting" referee gets you 4 match ban, this should be at least 8 games.
Speaking in general btw, many players have got 4 match ban for "insulting" referee which is always ridiculous.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Let me ask you, if there were no intent, would the tackle automatically been much less dangerous?

No, not automatically. But intent makes it worse to me. He wanted to injury neymar. He didn't, but that doesn't make it better. And for the 100th time, Neymar got lucky his leg was in the air when the kick hit him. Otherwise isco would had fulfilled his goal.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Intention is everything, and should be punished severely. What Isco did is worse than Nainggolan's entry on Rafinha, even if he didn't hurt Neymar as bad as the Roma player hurt Rafinha. Violence out of malice is the worst kind.
 
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