Jordi Alba

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barcelonista

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Sell Pique.
Buy Kompany.
Buy Thiago Silva.
Concede 0 goals in a season.

Alves--------Kompany-----Silva--------Abidal

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We need to stop investing money in crap players like Keirrison, Hleb, Chygrynskiy and Fabregas. Buy some quality defenders. Let Messi, Xavi and Iniesta do the rest upfront. Do it, Pep. DO IT!
 

Plip

Cardenal de Catalunya
Our priority should be a CB who is good in the air(especially if we take into consideration that Mascherano was our best CB this season, Abidal and Puyol are not getting any younger and Pique can;t be trusted).

Reflecting on this thought... Pique´s having his first bad season with us due to whatever reason (blaming merely Shakira or Cesc for his bad form is just utterly naïve and short-sighted, even if it is intended as a joke) after delivering for a good two-three years ever since his arrival to the Catalan capital. I'd give him the benefit of a doubt for at least another season and see if he pulls his act together.

Pique surely can't be trusted at the current moment, but there's nothing to suggest that he couldn't be trusted in the future. Making rash decisions based on one season, while the player has delivered previously and been a monster in general is no less than prime example of knee-jerk reaction. Using the same rhetoric we should sell Villa, Pedro and a whole bunch of others because they've failed to leave their mark based on ONE season. We're not Madrid FSS.
 
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barcelonista

Guest
The older Puyol gets, the worse will Pique become. We better sell him now as long as his reputation is still there to cash in some proper money. :satorra:
 
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estranged

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it's baffling (more of a crying shame) as to how people are forgetting pique's 3 awesome seasons and are judging him by a bad patch he's been having for a couple of months...don't know what's causing people to come up with these statements, either an inability to analyse the game or that they're simply not loyal....some fans we have around here :rolleyes:

Reflecting on this thought... Pique´s having his first bad season with us due to whatever reason (blaming merely Shakira or Cesc for his bad form is just utterly naïve and short-sighted, even if it is intended as a joke) after delivering for a good two-three years ever since his arrival to the Catalan capital. I'd give him the benefit of a doubt for at least another season and see if he pulls his act together.

Pique surely can't be trusted at the current moment, but there's nothing to suggest that he couldn't be trusted in the future. Making rash decisions based on one season, while the player has delivered previously and been a monster in general is no less than prime example of knee-jerk reaction. Using the same rhetoric we should sell Villa, Pedro and a whole bunch of others because they've failed to leave their mark based on ONE season. We're not Madrid FSS.

spot on.
 
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barcelonista

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it's baffling (more of a crying shame) as to how people are forgetting pique's 3 awesome seasons and are judging him by a bad patch he's been having for a couple of months...

Couple of months? Put the die-hard fan attitude aside for a second and face the reality. He's being criticised for at least a whole year now. Shall I show you some posts from his thread from March 2011? There you go:

He has his ups and downs every season like every single player... The thing is that every single thing he does, good or bad, is being somehow connected to that bitch Shakira...

The thing is, aside from Xavi and Valdes, pre-Shakira Pique was our most consistent player. Fast forward to Columbian party times, he is now in complete roller coaster form so it is obvious that there is a direct connection with "The Hips". Just callin' it like I see it.

Beat it up real nice Pique. A few more times. Then off with her head. CL is upon us.

I'm not worried about the Shakira thing, when Puyol comes back Pique will be at his best.

Pique needs to lift his game. Its incredible how so many pro athletes forget how good they have it and fall off the rails-Ronaldino, Deco anyone. We domnt need this shit at Barca. A guy who wants to party and has excuses the next day should be booted out. Pique started the season well but has faded badly. He either starts performing or we ship him out Ronnie and Deco style......................

It is the SAME FUCKING excuses for OVER A YEAR now: "Shakira", "he'll get better with Puyol" etc. He's not as good as his fans believe he is in the first place. Combined with his attitude he becomes total dog shit at times. We need a reliable CB. Pique isn't. Will never be.

February 2011:

pathetic display by him....i guess shakira had his way with him :lol:

Waste too much energy for banging Shakira, damn. Horrendous match

damn! such a BAD game from him !

Dont think I have ever seen him play this bad for Barcelona, hope he sorts himself out before the Arsenal game

November 2010:

bad performance

worried for classico, he's not concentrated

I agree, that mistake with Valdés was just ridiculous... Better stop banging Shakira!

Actually just go back to any page of his thread. :lol: Chances are like 80 % you'll find people talking about bad performances from him rather than him being "Piquenbauer" (which he surely is when we trash oppositions like Leverkusen scoring 7 goals while he can have a cup of tea with Valdes).
 
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Maria

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Reflecting on this thought... Pique´s having his first bad season with us due to whatever reason (blaming merely Shakira or Cesc for his bad form is just utterly naïve and short-sighted, even if it is intended as a joke) after delivering for a good two-three years ever since his arrival to the Catalan capital. I'd give him the benefit of a doubt for at least another season and see if he pulls his act together.

Pique surely can't be trusted at the current moment, but there's nothing to suggest that he couldn't be trusted in the future. Making rash decisions based on one season, while the player has delivered previously and been a monster in general is no less than prime example of knee-jerk reaction. Using the same rhetoric we should sell Villa, Pedro and a whole bunch of others because they've failed to leave their mark based on ONE season. We're not Madrid FSS.

First of all, like barcelonista said, this has been going for more than a year(just like in Pedro's case)..the CL final has been an exception.

And second, where did you see me write that we should sell Pique? I merely stated the current and future state of our defense..we need to buy at least a CB or a LB(if we decide to use Abidal as a CB more). And we need someone who is good in the air because we have to replace Puyol and Abidal and it doesn't seem fine to me to expect until these 2 are finished and then make a buy.

Pep is using Thiago and Cesc to ease the transition from a Barca with Xavi as a central piece to one where the catalan will be secondary. My opinion is that the same should be done for the defence.


@barcelonista

Don't bother..it seems that if you don't believe that we have the best players in every position or that you're worried about the form of a player, you're having a knee-jerk reaction. Pique has truly been world-class since 2009 until the 2010 WC(so its less than half of his time with us). Some are seeing the glass as being half full, I'm seeing it as being half empty. But we are all entitled to have an opinion.

Actually just go back to any page of his thread. :lol: Chances are like 80 % you'll find people talking about bad performances from him rather than him being "Piquenbauer" (which he surely is when we trash oppositions like Leverkusen scoring 7 goals while he can have a cup of tea with Valdes).

Even then I thought Mascherano has been the best defender..and what's even worrying is Pique's reaction(of total indifference) at Bayer's goal compared with that of Masche or Keita(who were really pissed). And that's why I'm more displeased with Pique then with Pedro, for example. At least Pedro is trying.
 
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Plip

Cardenal de Catalunya
First of all, like barcelonista said, this has been going for more than a year(just like in Pedro's case)..the CL final has been an exception.

And second, where did you see me write that we should sell Pique? I merely stated the current and future state of our defense..we need to buy at least a CB or a LB(if we decide to use Abidal as a CB more). And we need someone who is good in the air because we need to replace Puyol and Abidal and it doesn't seem fine to me to expect until these 2 are finished and then make a buy.

Pep is using Thiago and Cesc to ease the transition from a Barca with Xavi as a central piece to one where the catalan will be a secondary one. My opinion is that the same should be done for the defence.

Umm, it actually began towards the end of last season, so given this season is still ongoing it's practically not reached the point of being over a year. Semantics, semantics.

Where did you see me indicate that I actually accused you expressly of saying that? That was more of a general comment to those who have been arguing for his departure due to his current form. If that created confusion, I sincerely apologize for that. However, I am still somewhere in between whether we should buy a new CB or an LB or not. Mascherano has proved himself more than capable of playing in that position and mostly making it his own. His style of play is quite similar to that of Puyol's and he has that sense of leadership surrounding him as well. Then we also have the two curious cases of Bartrà, Muniesa and Botía.

The bottom line is, I wouldn't write Pique off just yet. Him and Mascherano are more than suitable pairing in the middle of defense with a few adequate youngsters as back-ups for the defense. However, if Pique won't sort himself out within the following 4-5 months, we can arguably say that buying a quality CB or an LB wouldn't be such a bad idea, depending also of how those youngsters adapt IF they will receive the necessary playing time in some of the games we have left.

Yes, I do know that there are heaps of various contingencies involved, but you cannot simply brush them aside. They still should be taken into account. And only given the result will be less than an admirable, we should get either Alba, Sakho, Kompany or Silva (just to name a few viable options).

I agree that the transition should be eased up, but only if it is absolutely necessary.


@barcelonista:

Great way of using quotes from around the times Pique has actually played bad. Quite a clever approach there. I suppose I'd be able to find quotes on some of the other first team players that have had bad game and arrange them in a suitable timeline to support my argument to make it look more convincing.
 
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barcelonista

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Even then I thought Mascherano has been the best defender..and what's even worrying is Pique's reaction(of total indifference) at Bayer's goal compared with that of Masche or Keita(who were really pissed). And that's why I'm more displeased with Pique then with Pedro, for example. At least Pedro is trying.

Reading my mind, really. A player like Pedro at least TRIES and works his ass off. Hence why I won't criticise him. Pique's attitude stinks though. He's not a hardworker. He's cast in the same mould as Deco or Ronaldinho (although not that bad yet but that's thanks to Pep), arriving late to training sessions etc. He's turned into a celebrity, counting his Facebook friends, twittering and whatnot, not able to concentrate for 90 minutes. If he wasn't Catalan, he'd be sold this summer. Pep has to deal with his shit for a long time now.
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
Well, I wasn't following the specifics of who said what but I understand Maria's defensive position...There's been so much trolling in the forum this season that reasonable and constructive criticism is met with a quick dismissal...and, frankly, I guess I can understand it...Sooo much trolling this season

Shame though because this isn't RAWK or an Inter forum, reasonable disagreements shouldn't always descend into the usual banter
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
Couple of months? Put the die-hard fan attitude aside for a second and face the reality. He's being criticised for at least a whole year now. Shall I show you some posts from his thread from March 2011? There you go:









It is the SAME FUCKING excuses for OVER A YEAR now: "Shakira", "he'll get better with Puyol" etc. He's not as good as his fans believe he is in the first place. Combined with his attitude he becomes total dog shit at times. We need a reliable CB. Pique isn't. Will never be.

February 2011:









November 2010:





Actually just go back to any page of his thread. :lol: Chances are like 80 % you'll find people talking about bad performances from him rather than him being "Piquenbauer" (which he surely is when we trash oppositions like Leverkusen scoring 7 goals while he can have a cup of tea with Valdes).

please stop posting.
 

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