El Gato
Villarato!
Come on man, it's obvious that keane wanted to break haaland's leg. Ramos and pepe can obviously do no wrong in your eyes. They could probably kill an opponent and you would say they are well respected in the dressing room and are very well liked veteran figures.
No, it's not obvious. Hard fouls happened very often, less so these days when it's so monitored and documented, but back then harsh sliding tackles were commonplace. If you are Keane all you want to do is to do harm to someone who was in your face taking pleasure at your own crippled state. The only thing you can safely assert is that he wanted to cause him short term harm in retaliation, just like you would find him punching Haaland in response something quite fair considering the history. The severity of the outcome is debatable at the very least since there was no medical grounds for the assault court case against Keane.
I don't know what's obviously 'biased' about my stance on either of the two. I'm merely replying to your own accusations. Do I need to go out of my way to point out something I don't like about Pepe and Ramos? There are countless examples which I dislike about them. It's not my job to bring them up for the purpose of maintaining some kind of artificial symmetry. I'm arguing against your assertions of both players being disliked based on them being hard men. No. YOU do not like them because they play hard/dive/whatever. That doesn't mean fellow competitors do. And competition environment is a horrible measure for somebody's personality off the field.
Ramos and Pepe are well respected. Ask players around the league and you'll find people who genuinely don't like them are those without perspective. The truly Grade A thugs are those who are shit players with no respect for anyone, on their team or the opponents. Those who only exist for the foul, like regional league level cretins. A category to which Ramos and Pepe absolutely clearly cannot be classified to.
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