How many people have said anything good about Valverde in this forum? How many even voted for anyone but Sampaoli in the poll here on this site? If 80% of this forum is talking about Sampaoli greatness and Valverde weaknesses and I haven't been even an advocate of any coach it is normal my replay will be more about balancing the discussion by pointing out what isn't said
And who you were expecting to finish 4th? again I was expecting AM to under achieve and that is why I thought Seville will finish 3rd.but let's forget about AM here since both of us agree that 3rd place is an achievement. so who did you expect to finish 4th?
And let me just know if Sociedad team is good or bad,one time you say Valverde is underachieving when he has Sevilla.Sociedad,Villarreal above him,other time Sevilla isn't far superior than those
The way to start a discussion about someone's coaching ability is to start it....and not stay quiet and complain about what others believe and said afterwards. If you opened a Sampaoli v Valverde v Koeman thread or made a post discussing all their strengths and flaws, I'm sure you would have gotten at least a few replies analyzing their sample record and doubts regarding them. I would have loved to contribute in that instead of scattering my posts around the entire forum about my thoughts on Koeman's taskmaster style and Cruyff/LVG influence, Sampaoli's European Experience and Valverde's youth development and lack of coaching egos.
I was expecting Villarreal to finish 4th and Atletico to do better despite their yet another CL final loss, as they improved their squad and Saul gained in experience. After the season Sevilla had in the league last season, there was no way I had them as sure bet on top 4. They might have signed a few players, but also lost important ones in Gameiro, Krychowiak, Banega, Coke.
Eusebio has done a good job with Real Sociedad who got a very decent squad too and I'm not saying Valverde has done a terrible job(why else would I have him as my 2nd option for the job?) and they have been on a rise lately, but he also got a pretty good squad and with the way they've played with launching a dozen crosses every game even without Aduriz and Raul Garcia, they have not performed as well as you'd think they would. Especially away. They've been terrible away.
If you put Villarreal, Sevilla, Athletic, Villarreal's 1st XI together, you'd see that the difference in quality isn't as big as you make it sound to be.
You are funky tonight, Don.
Anyway, about point no1, I see only this:
Honours[hide]
Copa América
Copa América
Winner 2015 Chile Team
Unless if my Wikipedia is showing different results or if I don't understand what it says here, I see only NT honors.
What are his CLUB's results and LEAGUE titles won with a club in a classic league championship (round robin system)? I don't see anything.
Again, my apologies if I still can't see it.
Well, I am a funky guy and it's getting quite late here in Europe right now as you know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Sampaoli#Honors ---> Club
Perhaps you didn't use the English wikipedia.
In fact, the Spanish one is even more specific
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Sampaoli
Again, not saying he is a savior, but just think he should be compared to the other options we have. Valverde, Unzue and Koeman.
You can argue his lack of European experience count against him, but to paint a different picture and say his only achievment is a 14-day tournament is just factually wrong.
