Jose Mourinho

[Fourteen]

Exactly. The man is edging closer to the other side of the coin (Genius/Madman).

 

[estranged]

It is irritating not to be able to get the point across to some of you guys.

Trust me, nothing is as irritating as trying to get the point across to YOU. You only seem to hear what you want to hear.

 

[El Gato]

Mou is the same man he was. It's the bad blood between Barca and RM, and Barca and himself that causes the drama. Nothing surprising about that and it doesn't make him any less of a brilliant coach.

 

[Fourteen]

Of course it does, he's meant to be the leader of a team, a huge team which perhaps experiences the highest amount of pressure in world football. If you're suggesting that his public actions or "grudges" against rival teams does not affect his ability/performance as a coach, then you are sorely mistaken.

 

[JonM]

Oh he does, it just wouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. (Edit: If you say so )

JonM,
Taking Mourinho's nature into account, his history with Barca and his reputation, would you really expect him to do that?

Not really. But a guy can hope. At one point both sides will have to stop playing games. They look ridiculous and Mourinho more than anyone.

I just don't understand how some of you guys can just shrug it off, saying "well, good enough for me". The only people he apologized to are the "true madridistas", meaning (in his head) the ones who already thought he was awesome for putting his finger in Villanova's face. The only people he didn't have to apologize to.

 

[El Gato]

He didn't say the bit "true" in the version I've read.

Of course it does, he's meant to be the leader of a team, a huge team which perhaps experiences the highest amount of pressure in world football. If you're suggesting that his public actions or "grudges" against rival teams does not affect his ability/performance as a coach, then you are sorely mistaken.

It does, but it doesn't. He and most people think that he is doing exactly the same melodrama with Barca, but in a different way every time. Besides, what has he done that he couldn't shake off and then continue to work like nothing happened? What he did over the course of his career surely made him resilient to this type of uproar which only feeds the media with something to write about.

 

[La Furia]

Mou is the same man he was. It's the bad blood between Barca and RM, and Barca and himself that causes the drama. Nothing surprising about that and it doesn't make him any less of a brilliant coach.

Actually it does. I've always defended him when he runs his mouth because it never took away from his effectiveness, might have even helped it.

But not having enough self control to keep yourself from assaulting the coaching staff of other clubs does make him a less brilliant coach. The Herreras and Michels of the world wouldn't have been as effective if they physically attacked other coaches, there's gamesmanship and there's out of control meanness which only hurts your team.

So yeah, as long as Mourinho cannot control his violent urges, he is less of a brilliant coach.

 

[JonM]

"true" as opposed to "pseudo-Madridistas".

But you're right, it wasn't used in the same sentence.

 

[Catalonian Devil]

I hope you guys weren't actually expecting a proper apology from Jose ...

Why would you poke a dude in the eye anyways? Is there any 'pussier' way to assault a man?

 

[El Gato]

Actually it does. I've always defended him when he runs his mouth because it never took away from his effectiveness, might have even helped it.

But not having enough self control to keep yourself from assaulting the coaching staff of other clubs does make him a less brilliant coach. The Herreras and Michels of the world wouldn't have been as effective if they physically attacked other coaches, there's gamesmanship and there's out of control meanness which only hurts your team.

So yeah, as long as Mourinho cannot control his violent urges, he is less of a brilliant coach.

So now being a brilliant coach means that you have to be classy? It's true we're yet to see how will RM do after all that happened in August, but if the effectiveness stays the same then it will kind of kill this theory.

Is there any 'pussier' way to assault a man?

Kick to the balls is probably pussier, no?

 

[La Furia]

So now being a brilliant coach means that you have to be classy? It's true we're yet to see how will RM do after all that happened in August, but if the effectiveness stays the same then it will kind of kill this theory.

Not classy, no, but not a violent sociopath.

Like I said before, I've defended Mourinho's verbal outbursts before, they were far from classy but if anything they built up an "Us vs them" mentality and helped influence refs to think certain teams are prone to diving. This, while it makes Mourinho and his teams unlikeable, is part of what made him such a great manager.

Trying to poke the eyes out of assistant coaches however, that has a negative impact on his own team. If Mourinho is such a monster that he cannot control himself in the middle of a match, it does in fact take away from his coaching ability.

There's a pretty large middle ground between being classy and being a violent animal.

 

[Catalonian Devil]

True...

All his provoking business before could be classified under 'mind games' or somewhere along those lines...

Physical assault though?

That's just crossing the line for a manager.

He suddenly went from being a cunning, brilliant coach, king of the mind games to simply a sore loser who can't control himself better than a 5 year old.

 

[JonM]

And by crossing the line like that, he's at risk of losing the respect of his players. Iker sounded bitter in his post game interview, but I assume he wasn't exactly trilled with his coach after seeing on tv what really went down on the sideline.

 

[IrvDizzle]

Wolfe, if Mourinho has to resort to eye-gouging in order to upset what Barça is able to accomplish, if he has to resort to sending hack-artists like Pepe and Marcelo to cut down Barça players instead of instructing them to outplay Barça, if he has to resort to derogatory comments in a post-match press conference about the other team's coaching staff (first Pep last year, then Tito this year) then he has failed as a manager.

answer me this: you ever see Phil Jackson poke another coach's eye out? you ever see Popovich do that? what about Pat Riley? Chuck Daly? Red Auerbach? you ever hear any of the afore-mentioned managers refer to his counterpart as a "penis"?

nope. true managerial geniuses never do. sure they throw barbs here and there, but it never gets personal. it never gets violent. it never gets derogatory.

and saying that Tito is equally to blame for pushing Mourinho as Mourinho is for eye-gouging is the most retarded thing you've tried to argue thus far. I'd like to see how you would react if someone stuck their thumb in your eye and tried to blind you. would you "turn the other eye?"

Mourinho has lost it. he knows he's lost it. Barça has begun to get to him. Crushed his collection of thugs/brutes/overhyped/overrated superstars (and Iker). Seeing Leo score that late goal crushed him. He knew it crushed his players. So he used the scuffle to create a new story line and take the pressure off of his players. Only he went too far. Because he was crushed. confused. angry. defeated.

Barça now only have to stay the course. Stay true to what they can control. Cuz now the PR machine that is Mourinho is going to go all out to rattle the psyche of Barça before the next Clasico and a potential CL rematch.

He will fail.

 

[El Gato]

Wolfe, if Mourinho has to resort to eye-gouging in order to upset what Barça is able to accomplish, if he has to resort to sending hack-artists like Pepe and Marcelo to cut down Barça players instead of instructing them to outplay Barça

So you do believe he actually tells them "Go out there and break their legs"? So funny. Players being retarded imply coach telling them to do something retarded which ultimately makes the coach retarded? Or maybe it's just that Mourinho doesn't stop them, because the circumstances (lenient refereeing, his ability to put pressure on referees using media and many Barca players having theatrical reputation) allow him to ignore this?

answer me this: you ever see Phil Jackson poke another coach's eye out? you ever see Popovich do that? what about Pat Riley? Chuck Daly? Red Auerbach? you ever hear any of the afore-mentioned managers refer to his counterpart as a "penis"?

Classy coaches don't do that and every one of these was classy, at least from what I've read about them. Unless you mean Jackson taking shots at different people in some occasions, but in his case this doesn't leave a tiny stain on his reputation.

Never heard Mourinho referring to anyone as penises, did I miss something?

and saying that Tito is equally to blame for pushing Mourinho as Mourinho is for eye-gouging is the most retarded thing you've tried to argue thus far. I'd like to see how you would react if someone stuck their thumb in your eye and tried to blind you. would you "turn the other eye?"

Referred to this already. Read more.

Mourinho has lost it. he knows he's lost it. Barça has begun to get to him. Crushed his collection of thugs/brutes/overhyped/overrated superstars (and Iker). Seeing Leo score that late goal crushed him. He knew it crushed his players. So he used the scuffle to create a new story line and take the pressure off of his players. Only he went too far. Because he was crushed. confused. angry. defeated.

Pretty much everyone associated with RM feeled like that at that point. Not surprising if you ask me.

And let me emphasise this again - I'm the last person to defend Mourinho, I never liked him after reading all his wind up shit, but I'm always reasoning it by thinking like most coaches have to think taking into account different circumstances. If you really have to throw generalizations that "He lost it" and start making accusations that you never know if they are true then really, if I was you I'd spare my keyboard.