Josko Gvardiol

[Messigician]

I see a lot of praise for him.
For now, he is on my list on idiots and players whom I hate from Croatia, together with braindead Rebic and eternal shit of a striker Kramaric.

He'll need 100 good games to compensate for the shit which he made at Euro 2000 in a match against Spain:
2:1 for Spain, his player scored an easy header
3:1 the dumbest fuck up, he was drinking water, the Spain played a somewhat asshole counterattack while the players were drinking water. But still, he was miles from his position and when he caught his players, he was dribbled past as if he is a ghost:

So, miles from a finished product and a sure deal.

Also, I remember his post-match interviews after every match on Euros, and he has some weird: "no big deal, everything is fine, it will be better" type of answers and vibe.

For example, Croatia lost:
Ok, we lost, but we are soooo strong, we will surely win the next match.
We don't win the next match, his answer: Ok, we didn't win, but we are soooo strong, there is no way that we won't win the next match.
He makes tons of mistakes: ok, we lost but it'll get better the next time.

The guy is huge, his physique looks impressive, he has some nice technical skills, but I am not too sure about his concentration and he lacks some aggression.
As Raketa10 said, he is modest, but something is off about him for me.

When you see him, he looks huge with his height, muscles and beard.
But when he speaks, you see a 15 year old shy and modest boy.
I don't know, something is just weird.

Why have you toned it down to somewhat asshole Spain but Josko was to blame lol

You were going ballistic after that game with "cheaters Spain"

 

[BBZ8800]

Where do you rank Garcia and Gavi? Just curious.

Gavi is combative, he is not a choir boy personality wise.
But his footballing logic is slightly screwed by La Masia post-Pep and: no shooting rule, so he sucks in that area.

Garcia, not sure yet.

Nico isn't a pushover eaither it seems.
He showed a lot of cockiness and magic in the last few matches with his dribbles out of nowhere which we rarely see from La Masia midfielders. (This is what I like about Xavi Simons, magic and dribbles from midfield)
The only question with him is: his mentality is good, now we need to see whether his skills will be good enough.
For example, Alena also wasn't a choirboy, that's why I liked him. But his development didn't go the right way and his footballing skills/ceiling ended as just meh, so his persnonality doesn't help.

So:
1. if you are brave, but without skills, it won't work
2. if you are technical but shy, it will work against small La Liga teams, but it won't work in bigger matches

The same is with technique and physique:
1. height and strength alone won't work without some technique
2. technique alone will work against small La liga teams, but usually won't be good enough against bigger teams

To make it simple, the holy trio of skills should be:
1. technical level as the key skill, the core of everything
2. some physique
3. some bravery/not being an absolute choir boy

In general: technique alone without mentality is better than mentality without technique, because you will be able to produce some level of a good football even with technique alone (Barca's choirboys, for example).
The same is with technique vs physique. Technique without physique is better than physique without technique.
For example, 10 Arthurs will play a better football than 10 Paulinhos over 90 minutes.

But again, the best option would be all 3: technique, physique, the right mentality (and IQ, of course).

 

[BBZ8800]

Why have you toned it down to somewhat asshole Spain but Josko was to blame lol

You were going ballistic after that game with "cheaters Spain"

Imo, Spain cheated and they made a throw in while Croatia's players were near the bench drinking water.
So, Spain were assholes.
But also, as an experienced footballer, you need to know that:
1. the opponents will provoke fouls
2. the opponents will make tiny fouls on you and try to make you lose control and punch them (a red card)
3. the opponents will dive and look for freekicks and pens
4. the opponents will lie to the ref in order to get fouls and pens
5. sometimes the opponents will fake injuries and lye on the ground only to jump 2 seconds later, get a through ball 1 v 1 vs keeper and score
6. sometimes the opponents will play fast corners, free kicks or start the play after the goal while you are still taking positions, creating a wall for a free kick or celebrating after the goal

So, even though Spanish move was a world class cheating level, Gvardiol was supposed to be prepared for cheating and dirty tricks.

** a random fact: Pep's City is often using those fast corners and free kicks while the opponents are not ready. Just sayin'.

And one more thing, being brave and a cheater is not the same.
I would want brave and combative players, not cheaters.

 

[Messigician]

Imo, Spain cheated and they made a throw in while Croatia's players were near the bench drinking water.
So, Spain were assholes.
But also, as an experienced footballer, you need to know that:
1. the opponents will provoke fouls
2. the opponents will make tiny fouls on you and try to make you lose control and punch them (a red card)
3. the opponents will dive and look for freekicks and pens
4. the opponents will lie to the ref in order to get fouls and pens
5. sometimes the opponents will fake injuries and lye on the ground only to jump 2 seconds later, get a through ball 1 v 1 vs keeper and score
6. sometimes the opponents will play fast corners, free kicks or start the play after the goal while you are still taking positions, creating a wall for a free kick or celebrating after the goal

So, even though Spanish move was a world class cheating level, Gvardiol was supposed to be prepared for cheating and dirty tricks.

** a random fact: Pep's City is often using those fast corners and free kicks while the opponents are not ready. Just sayin'.

And one more thing, being brave and a cheater is not the same.
I would want brave and combative players, not cheaters.

It is unsportsmanlike but idk about cheating. I view it similar to the Alexander Arnold corner we conceded while MATS was clapping and not ready.

 

[mc_lovin]

Gavi is combative, he is not a choir boy personality wise.
But his footballing logic is slightly screwed by La Masia post-Pep and: no shooting rule, so he sucks in that area.

Garcia, not sure yet.

Nico isn't a pushover eaither it seems.
He showed a lot of cockiness and magic in the last few matches with his dribbles out of nowhere which we rarely see from La Masia midfielders. (This is what I like about Xavi Simons, magic and dribbles from midfield)
The only question with him is: his mentality is good, now we need to see whether his skills will be good enough.
For example, Alena also wasn't a choirboy, that's why I liked him. But his development didn't go the right way and his footballing skills/ceiling ended as just meh, so his persnonality doesn't help.

So:
1. if you are brave, but without skills, it won't work
2. if you are technical but shy, it will work against small La Liga teams, but it won't work in bigger matches

The same is with technique and physique:
1. height and strength alone won't work without some technique
2. technique alone will work against small La liga teams, but usually won't be good enough against bigger teams

To make it simple, the holy trio of skills should be:
1. technical level as the key skill, the core of everything
2. some physique
3. some bravery/not being an absolute choir boy

In general: technique alone without mentality is better than mentality without technique, because you will be able to produce some level of a good football even with technique alone (Barca's choirboys, for example).
The same is with technique vs physique. Technique without physique is better than physique without technique.
For example, 10 Arthurs will play a better football than 10 Paulinhos over 90 minutes.

But again, the best option would be all 3: technique, physique, the right mentality (and IQ, of course).

You should seriously consider moving on from "Barca DNA/choir boy" to simply not good enough. Your inherent logic makes no sense and has far too many "exceptions".

 

[Messigician]

You should seriously consider moving on from "Barca DNA/choir boy" to simply not good enough. Your inherent logic makes no sense and has far too many "exceptions".

BBZ has most wins in the forum by far though

The only Ls

Coutinho
Germany
Messi WOAT

The ppl saying Trincao is a L because he said he dribbles a bit like Figo shame on you

 

[mc_lovin]

BBZ has most wins in the forum by far though

The only Ls

Coutinho
Germany
Messi WOAT
Euro predictions
Rabiot

The ppl saying Trincao is a L because he said he dribbles a bit like Figo shame on you

.

 

[Windhook]

The guy is just 19 and it's clear from a mile he's the future of Croatia defence. Didn't watch the NT games this summer closely but hearing on the TV something like "Guardiol(a) intercepts" caught my attention.

RB Leipzig and Salzburg are the prominent feeders of big clubs nowadays. Probably a matter of time until they win EL or the Conference League.

 

[BBZ8800]

It is unsportsmanlike but idk about cheating. I view it similar to the Alexander Arnold corner we conceded while MATS was clapping and not ready.

That's the similar example, yes.
City is often doing that, as said above.

You should seriously consider moving on from "Barca DNA/choir boy" to simply not good enough. Your inherent logic makes no sense and has far too many "exceptions".

I disagree.
Imo, Barca is the "nicest" top team in the world.

If you could manually assess players and their mentality, whether they are extremely shy or extremly cocky, and the same with being brave, imo, Barca would have the highest score.
Some people will say that it is nonsense and irrelevant, when you would make some stats about:
1. number of tatooed players in the 25 men squad
2. number of shaved heads
3. number of beards
4. number of provoked red cards during the season
5. number of fights with the opponents during a match during a season

Imo, Barca would have the lowest score in Europe among top teams aka = the nicest team in the world aka the closest to being a team of choir boys.

Some will say that it is shit and nonsense, but do you know for example when you play against Japan.
Their players are not cheaters, their players are usually not dirty, Japanese won't kick you in the head for no reason etc.
On the other hand, could you tell the same for Mou's Chelsea with John Terry and other guys? They were level 20 000 of cheaters and assholes.
Or today, could you say that Italian NT team won't dive, fake fouls, roll on the ground, do whatever it takes to waste the time if they are 1:0 up in the 80th minute and similar?

So, patterns and overal behavior in a team surely exists.
About Barca, my current theory is that SPanish/Catalan people in general aren't bad guys.
They are nice, friendly, well behaved. Their first impulse is not to fight or kick but to help you.
And a lot of that can be seen in DNA of players.

Add to this that La Masia is known for teaching kids human values and being really nice and that's what you get in the end = very nice and humble young guys, which is awesome if you want a nice son/grandson or if as a father, you are looking for a humble young man for your other.
But sporting wise, where the sport is an arena and a battlefield, those humble and nice kids usually get eaten alive by tougher guys in KO matches, UNLESS you have the best team ever consisted of Messi-Xavi-Iniesta.
So, don't take Xavi-Iniesta as a rule, but more like an anomaly.

Again, in the past Barca had a few crazy guys to add some agression on top of Barca DNA, like crazy Stoichkov, Koeman, Davids, Van Bommel, Etoo, Masch, Puyol.
Even Lucho was crazy as fuck.
I remember in early 00s, whenever we were losing, you at least know that Lucho will run like crazy, he will kick a few RM for no reason and he will yell at teammates and ask for run, fight and blood.
Look at celebration and trolling towards RM fans whenever Lucho scored against them:

Yet today, in the core of our midfield, we have a fckng choir boy Busquets and the nicest boy in the world, Frenkie.

So, no, imo, Barca DNA and choirboism comparison is not without logic.

 

[Raketa10]

I see a lot of praise for him.
For now, he is on my list on idiots and players whom I hate from Croatia, together with braindead Rebic and eternal shit of a striker Kramaric.

He'll need 100 good games to compensate for the shit which he made at Euro 2000 in a match against Spain:
2:1 for Spain, his player scored an easy header
3:1 the dumbest fuck up, he was drinking water, the Spain played a somewhat asshole counterattack while the players were drinking water. But still, he was miles from his position and when he caught his players, he was dribbled past as if he is a ghost:

So, miles from a finished product and a sure deal.

Also, I remember his post-match interviews after every match on Euros, and he has some weird: "no big deal, everything is fine, it will be better" type of answers and vibe.

For example, Croatia lost:
Ok, we lost, but we are soooo strong, we will surely win the next match.
We don't win the next match, his answer: Ok, we didn't win, but we are soooo strong, there is no way that we won't win the next match.
He makes tons of mistakes: ok, we lost but it'll get better the next time.

The guy is huge, his physique looks impressive, he has some nice technical skills, but I am not too sure about his concentration and he lacks some aggression.
As Raketa10 said, he is modest, but something is off about him for me.

When you see him, he looks huge with his height, muscles and beard.
But when he speaks, you see a 15 year old shy and modest boy.
I don't know, something is just weird.

BBZ are you aware he is a 19y old kid? Of course he will make mistakes! I honestly can't remember ONE young player you liked since I joined this forum. Gvardiol has many qualities but no one said he is a finished product. You can't expect from a 19y old CB to perform or think like prime Ramos, Pique, Puyol or Van Dijk. This is called growing up.

 

[BBZ8800]

More about Lucho and his celebrations and lifting the team up, can you imagine the same from our La Masia captians in the last few years?

 

[BBZ8800]

BBZ are you aware he is 19y old kid? Of course he will make mistakes! I honestly can't remember ONE young player you liked since I joined this forum.

How many of the young players both from Barca and from other clubs reached their potential and expecations of Barca forum since 2015?
So, I probably disliked 49 out of 50 players discussed here in the last few years.
Yet, in the end, 2 of 50 actually turned somewhere close to their hype.

 

[Raketa10]

How many of the young players both from Barca and from other clubs reached their potential and expecations of Barca forum since 2015?
So, I probably disliked 49 out of 50 players discussed here in the last few years.
Yet, in the end, 2 of 50 actually turned somewhere close to their hype.

To be fair you probably disliked 50 out of 50.

 

[Windhook]

More about Lucho and his celebrations and lifting the team up, can you imagine the same from our La Masia captians in the last few years?

Lucho had this vendetta thing driving him against Real Madrid, gave him the boost. Same with Eto'o. And not to forget Laudrup on the other side.

 

[Messigician]

To be fair you probably disliked 50 out of 50.

Lmfao