Jürgen Klopp

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

They said Pep couldn't do it in the oh so mighty premier league, he then came and made the Premier League his own personal little play thing. Then they moved on to say Pep can't win the CL without Messi and we saw what happened last year.

Now they are making up new things, which Pep will never have the chance to prove wrong, to downgrade Pep to Klopp level. Same tactics were used for years to downgrade Messi to Ronaldo level.

They say Pep can't do it without money, but he revolutionised a geriatric Barca B and made them champions with nothing but pure tactics.

Pep eats at his own table the same way Messi eats at his. Their 'rivals' are good but nowhere close because Pep and Messi are the best there have ever been.

 

[Temptation]

Pep overall has a better career and is above Klopp in the all time manager's list but sitting at his own table above all managers in history? Give it a break.


Ferguson, Mourinho and some other managerial greats in the past have done things Pep can only dream of.


Pep will never do what Mourinho did at Porto or Ferguson did at Aberdeen or Clough did at Nottingham Forest whether you like it or not.

 

[KingLeo10]

Mourinho excluded himself from that list of surefire top 10 by the 10 years he’s had since 2013.

Man’s basically been a mid table manager in this time for 10 years.

And some of those lows came at United and Chelsea, where he had plenty of money. It’s just he became a dinosaur in modern, pressing based football

 

[Temptation]

These lists consider the periods when you were at your best.


Mou's decline won't matter much in his historical standings after 30 years.


People look at your achievements mostly. The decline is forgotten after your career. Anyways, even in his decline Mou hasn't really underperformed whatsoever. It's just that he doesn't get top jobs anymore.


Mourinho has a more versatile and impressive CV than Pep. His biggest achievements are surely tougher and more impressive than Pep's biggest achievements.

 

[Windhook]

Pep himself said, yesterday, Klopp was his biggest competition. "I will sleep better now" jokingly he said. I admire the mutual respect they have for each other. No toxicity and mind games, like in Mourinho prime.

Those claims "Pep didn't win Serie A", "Pep never won a game with San Marino NT", etc. is lifeline for haters, but they forget same argument goes for every manager, who has or has not gone lower level of managing mediocre team.

Ancelotti comes to mind with his stint at Everton. I remember seeing a pic of Ancelotti (smoking a cigarette, of course) playing the old Championship Manager (current Football Manager series) game back in the day on a PC. I have this theory that Carlo took the job as tribute to game creators, which are Everton fans. I can't verify it, but doesn't make sense when you manage for 20 years the richest and strongest clubs in Europe and all of sudden jump to a mediocre club. Anyway that experiment with Everton failed.

 

[KingLeo10]

These lists consider the periods when you were at your best.


Mou's decline won't matter much in his historical standings after 30 years.


People look at your achievements mostly. The decline is forgotten after your career. Anyways, even in his decline Mou hasn't really underperformed whatsoever. It's just that he doesn't get top jobs anymore.


Mourinho has a more versatile and impressive CV than Pep. His biggest achievements are surely tougher and more impressive than Pep's biggest achievements.

Mou has a more impressive CV than Pep?

Lay off the drugs lmao.

Pep has more CL titles, 2 x CL finals

More PL titles

More LL titles

Far more titles in general

Far superior H2H, in both Europe and domestic

Revolutionized modern football and is the gold standard of modern football

 

[Temptation]

Yup, a treble with Inter and back to back CL and Europa with Porto is way more impressive than a treble with prime Barca and financially doped City.


A manager like Enrique won a treble with Barcelona.


Ofcourse, Pep will have more pure numbers because he managed the strongest squads in Europe all the time.

Mourinho pulled off way more incredible things.

 

[Birdy]

Laughable stuff written here.
Klopp is top 2 the last 15 years, and top 10 the last 30 years.
Even if you stretch it as back in time as you may, he will still be up there.
Why? he obviously revolutionized the sport, only ignorants will deny that.

Who I will put ahead of Klopp historically? The ones that revolutionized as well and won more, or the ones that their impact is more everlasting.
People like Pep now, or Sachi, Michels, in the past, and if you go further back Lodanovsky, Happel, Herrera, etc.

 

[KingLeo10]

Laughable stuff written here.
Klopp is top 2 the last 15 years, and top 10 the last 30 years.
Even if you stretch it as back in time as you may, he will still be up there.
Why? he obviously revolutionized the sport, only ignorants will deny that.

Who I will put ahead of Klopp historically? The ones that revolutionized as well and won the same or more, like Pep now, or Sachi, Michels, in the past, and if you go further back Lodanovsky, Happel, Herrera, etc.

What’s your take on Pep vs Mou?

 

[Birdy]

What’s your take on Pep vs Mou?

History answered that and vindicated Pep

 

[Temptation]

Football is such a cruel sport.


Klopp has the same number of league titles at Liverpool as Xavi has at Barca. Klopp has more league titles at Dortmund than at Liverpool.


We should have won 1 more PL and CL under Klopp. Kinda heartbreaking that our best team in 30 years won't have a historic trophy haul for future generations to look back in awe. We were more than good enough for 2-3 PLs and 2 CLs under Klopp.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Football is such a cruel sport.


Klopp has the same number of league titles at Liverpool as Xavi has at Barca. Klopp has more league titles at Dortmund than at Liverpool.


We should have won 1 more PL and CL under Klopp. Kinda heartbreaking that our best team in 30 years won't have a historic trophy haul for future generations to look back in awe. We were more than good enough for 2-3 PLs and 2 CLs under Klopp.

I think your best moment to win another cl was in 2020, you guys were on fire in Anfield against Atletico but Oblak was too good on that day! I still remember the class finishing from Llorente

 

[Temptation]

I think your best moment to win another cl was in 2020, you guys were on fire in Anfield against Atletico but Oblak was too good on that day! I still remember the class finishing from Llorente

ATM were so lucky that day.

 

[Birdy]

Football is such a cruel sport.


Klopp has the same number of league titles at Liverpool as Xavi has at Barca. Klopp has more league titles at Dortmund than at Liverpool.


We should have won 1 more PL and CL under Klopp. Kinda heartbreaking that our best team in 30 years won't have a historic trophy haul for future generations to look back in awe. We were more than good enough for 2-3 PLs and 2 CLs under Klopp.

He could still win a quadruple this season including EL instead of CL
OK, doesn't seem likely now, but will be the perfect farewell?

 

[Birdy]