Julian Nagelsmann

Yannik

Yannik

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KingLeo10 said:
If the counter to pointing out Bayern's less than noble activities in the transfer market, especially with German talent, is that all big clubs do it - then you should have the same amount of disdain for them as the other big clubs, including Barca.
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I am the forums biggest salary cap stan, doesnt that say enough?
 
Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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raskolnikov said:
Ivr said this bedore but other Bundesliga clubs lack ambition.
Same with Dortmund back in the day with Lewa. He left on a free to Bayern and they applauded him and were honored.

Imagine Iniesta going to Madrid and everyone being fine with it.

If you run a top 5 Bundesliga club you need a fuck Bayern mindset to break the hegemony.
Which results in no player goes directly to Bayern.
If a player has 2 years left he gets 3 choices: 1. Stay with the project and renew
2. Join another club except Bayern
3. If he wants to leave on a free and possibly already agreed to Bayern he will walk laps around the field every day till his contract expires.
A d serve as a ballboy during matches.

That way you cut of Bayerns easy supply in good cheap Bundeslige experienced players.
If you dont take this approach no other club will ever win Bundesliga again.
Or if they do they get craddle robbed by Bayern the next summer.

A paradigm shift in mindset is obligatory if Bundesliga clubs ever want to get past being Bayerns minions.
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This is easier said than done. Clubs can't force players to extend, or go to a club they don't want to join just to fend off Bayern. If the player is adamant to join Bayern, there is very little a club can do, other than negotiating a favorable fee with them. Sidelining a player to penalize them is hard and impractical, after all the club is still paying the wages of the Bayern-bound player, also sporting-wise the club probably can't afford not to play this player since chance are, he is a key player if he is wanted by Bayern. Take what Schalke did with Alexander Nuebel when he decided to leave for Bayern for free, they stripped him of his captaincy and sidelined him for a while if my memory serves me correctly, only to play him later because they had to.

The problem is not what clubs should do and can do to tell Bayern to fuck off. The problem is the current ecosystem of German football centers around Bayern: Germany's best talents want to join Bayern, be it players or managers or other football-related positions. Bayern sits on top of the ecosystem, like we, Real Madrid and increasingly Atletico in Spain and the big 6 in England, the biggest difference being Bayern has the absolute monopoly in Germany that you don't see in other leagues.

To break Bayern's monopoly and to make German club football more competitive, abolishing 50+1 is the only way to go. Get rid of it. Bring in more investors.
 
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Luftstalag14

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malvolio said:
where are all the german football 'experts' that were raving about how well liked flick is at bayern and how they wouldn't exchange him for other managers?

no riots outside the allianz arena in support of bumsi flick?
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Flick the bum? Many, if not most Bayern fans don't want to see Flick leave, they have sided with him in his conflict vs. "Brazzo" Salihamidzic. It was also the case with the Bayern dressing room apparently, players wanted him to stay but Flick doesn't want to.

He is leaving not because he is a bum or Bayern (from their top echelon to their fans) doesn't want him to stay, on the contrary, the likes of KHR have been very eager to keep him. He delivered them a sextuple after all. He is leaving because he has had enough with Salihamidzic on everything from squad planning to personality clash etc. They don't see eye to eye with each other on many things, that's why he is leaving. The icing on the cake was the vacancy in the German NT left by Joachim Loew.
 
MagIX

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FCBarca said:
Unlike Nagelsmann, Xavi didn't just learn from Pep but from the Catalan club where it all started


One coach has 6 titles in his first year of coaching, the other has 0 in 5 seasons

25M for a German Pep wannabee or free in a Catalan bred cantera player who knows Pep & our club much better

Easy answer
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Ok, in Quatar Stars League....

Nagelsmann became TSG 1899 Hoffenheim (second last in the Bundesliga) coach on February 2016. Season 2016/17 he qualified the team for the CL!
With RB Leipzig he even reached the 1/2 CL
Not bad.

But honestly it wasn't a criticism of Xavi. I really hope you are right and Xavi will be a new Pep.
 
Luftstalag14

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Rory said:
I half think the other clubs feed Bayern these players (particularly the german players) to make the national team stronger. Wasn't there that weird thing where someone high up in Bayern basically said if Neuer didn't start for Germany they wouldn't allow any of their players to play for the national team. Sure Ter Stegen was never going to take the spot from Neuer but to publicly state that is bizarre and shows what they're really about.

Issue for the other teams in the league is that they probably highly depend on the sort of transfer fees Bayern can pay to keep their clubs running well. Until money is more evenly distributed within a league this will keep happening.
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It is true that Bayern has had their ways with the DFB. It is no secrecy that Bayern wanted to be FC Germany and even if they didn't do that concertedly, naturally most of the best German players had been with Bayern so they have a very powerful influence and sway dealing with the DFB. The incident you mentioned above was true: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ch-threaten-boycott-German-national-team.html

The latest example being, Bayern is trying to squeeze a transfer fee out of the DFB for the latter potentially getting Hansi Flick, which the DFB doesn't want to pay. However, because of Bayern's sway with the DFB:

I could see Bayern pushing for different concessions from the DFB rather than straight cash. Could be things like hosting the final of Euro 2024 or the final of the 2027 World Cup (if Germany/Belgium/Netherlands win the bid) at the Allianz Arena instead of the Olympiastadion. The DFB does an amazingly good job at moving the men and women national teams around the country, so maybe like a ?guaranteed x number of national teams games every 2 years? clause or something.
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That is a lot of $$$ for Bayern if they get DFB to play games like that at the Allianz.
 
Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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Yannik said:
What club doesnt do that? Barca talked half their personel at some point into tap ups, revolts and transfer requests and whatnot. This is how football works since Bosman, the only ones immune to it are rich clubs that can double wage offers to buy off release clauses or extend contracts before they reach the last year mark.. hence why I'm advocating for wage caps since years.
And most of those clubs accumulated billions of debt to get there. In Germany the DFL will not give you a licence at a certain point of debt, which means you go straight down to the 3rd division
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Like who, other than perhaps Dembele and Eric Garcia?

Bayern on the other hand has had three recent free transfers: Lewandowski, Nuebel and Goretzka.
 
malvolio

malvolio

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Luftstalag14 said:
Flick the bum? Many, if not most Bayern fans don't want to see Flick leave, they have sided with him in his conflict vs. "Brazzo" Salihamidzic. It was also the case with the Bayern dressing room apparently, players wanted him to stay but Flick doesn't want to.

He is leaving not because he is a bum or Bayern (from their top echelon to their fans) doesn't want him to stay, on the contrary, the likes of KHR have been very eager to keep him. He delivered them a sextuple after all. He is leaving because he has had enough with Salihamidzic on everything from squad planning to personality clash etc. They don't see eye to eye with each other on many things, that's why he is leaving. The icing on the cake was the vacancy in the German NT left by Joachim Loew.
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if they were so adamant to keep him, why not sack salihamidzic then and be done with? why go into the market for the hottest thing in german management and splurge over 20M for him?

flick is a mediocre manager at best. can't get lucky twice in a row and bayern knew it. they also wanted to not give flick the bum the power to shape the squad how he wanted. do you think nagelsmann goes over there to fight salihamidzic on transfers?

as i've said, it was the perfect opportunity for flick to exit graciously(going to german nt) and for bayern to get rid of him.
 
Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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El Gato said:
This just got linked in the wake of the appointment

https://theathletic.com/1919044/2020/07/13/honigstein-broken-bundesliga-bayern-munich/
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Honigstein made no sense with his suggestions here. It is essentially turning Bundesliga into an ESL-lite version of Bundesliga by eliminating those bottom of the table, uncompetitive clubs, saying that while lauding German club football for not being taken over by billionaires is ironic. Having 4 less teams etc. will not make Bundesliga more competitive or attractive at all. And how will that make upper-middle clubs richer and wealthier? Nobody is bidding more money on Bundesliga TV contract because 4 less teams that have no chances of winning the title will play. There are still 13 teams in the same boat left.
 
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