Julian Nagelsmann

[Andresito]

Suarez, De Jong, Koeman, desperately trying to talk Lyon into selling Depay for miniscule fee?

All part of the disastrous Bartomeu era.

 

[Yannik]

if they were so adamant to keep him, why not sack salihamidzic then and be done with? why go into the market for the hottest thing in german management and splurge over 20M for him?

flick is a mediocre manager at best. can't get lucky twice in a row and bayern knew it. they also wanted to not give flick the bum the power to shape the squad how he wanted. do you think nagelsmann goes over there to fight salihamidzic on transfers?

as i've said, it was the perfect opportunity for flick to exit graciously(going to german nt) and for bayern to get rid of him.

I'm not a big fan of Flick, but I am genuinely baffled by your personal vendetta with the man. From my own experience in the German speaking realms of the internet Bayern fans were overwhelmingly on board with Flick. So much in fact that they started a petition to get Brazzo removed from office immediately. The boards actions are not always reflective of the fans opinions.

 

[Yannik]

Honigstein made no sense with his suggestions here. It is essentially turning Bundesliga into an ESL-lite version of Bundesliga by eliminating those bottom of the table, uncompetitive clubs, saying that while lauding German club football for not being taken over by billionaires is ironic. Having 4 less teams etc. will not make Bundesliga more competitive or attractive at all. And how will that make upper-middle clubs richer and wealthier? Nobody is bidding more money on Bundesliga TV contract because 4 less teams that have no chances of winning the title will play. There are still 13 teams in the same boat left.

Yeah, this is my issue with these kind of takes. People like Honigstein focus entirely on the objective of "making the title race competetive", so much that they are ready to abandon every other thing the league has going for. He suggests cutting the league to 14 teams and limitting TV money support only to these, while not engaging on the question of what happens the other 4 teams then or everyone in the 2nd division.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Fabregas and Coutinho for example.

OK, four in the last 10 years, two of which were Barca cantera players. The other two were rather quick panic buys that were unlikely to be planned deliberately. Hardly half of our personnel, even at the hyperbole level.

 

[Messigician]

The reason why you can't take the Bundesliga seriously is because rivalries don't mean anything there.

Bayern Munich are appointing Julian Nagelsmann from RB Leipzig, who is the 2nd placed team.

Bayern got Lewandowski from Borussia Dortmund, the team who were challenging them.

Bayern easily get the most important players from every single German team. Players like Goretzka, Gnabry, Neuer, Sule and many others.

Upamecano is also joining them next season from RB Leipzig.

Where are the rivalries? 🤔

 

[El Gato]

And how will that make upper-middle clubs richer and wealthier? Nobody is bidding more money on Bundesliga TV contract because 4 less teams that have no chances of winning the title will play. There are still 13 teams in the same boat left.

I mean it's literally implicit how it might make upper-middle more affluent - fewer teams to split the same pot.

while not engaging on the question of what happens the other 4 teams then or everyone in the 2nd division.

Question is about making Bundesliga competitive. Current state of things doesn't exactly promote improvement considering as Honigstein says, salary caps etc that you champion on the forum, are approved on European basis, not nationally.

 

[Luftstalag14]

if they were so adamant to keep him, why not sack salihamidzic then and be done with? why go into the market for the hottest thing in german management and splurge over 20M for him?

flick is a mediocre manager at best. can't get lucky twice in a row and bayern knew it. they also wanted to not give flick the bum the power to shape the squad how he wanted. do you think nagelsmann goes over there to fight salihamidzic on transfers?

as i've said, it was the perfect opportunity for flick to exit graciously(going to german nt) and for bayern to get rid of him.

We can certainly agree to disagree on how good or bad Flick is.

Why couldn't they just sack Salihamidzic? Probably because of some sort of internal powerplay/struggle within Bayern. Salihamidzic was promoted into Bayern's executive board last summer, probably had very strong backing from Herbert Hainer, Bayern's president and maybe Kahn, the incoming Bayern CEO too.

Whether Nagelsmann will get alone with Salihamidzic remains to be seen. If they lock their horns over transfer decisions it will get interesting and dicey.

 

[soul24rage]

The reason why you can't take the Bundesliga seriously is because rivalries don't mean anything there.

Bayern Munich are appointing Julian Nagelsmann from RB Leipzig, who is the 2nd placed team.

Bayern got Lewandowski from Borussia Dortmund, the team who were challenging them.

Bayern easily get the most important players from every single German team. Players like Goretzka, Gnabry, Neuer, Sule and many others.

Upamecano is also joining them next season from RB Leipzig.

Where are the rivalries? ��

If you're going to copy paste something, put the original source please.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Suarez, De Jong, Koeman, desperately trying to talk Lyon into selling Depay for miniscule fee?

Suarez? Didn't he get sidelined and marginalized by Liverpool after his biting incident at the 2014 World Cup? I remember reading that he said he felt he was shunned and not wanted by anybody and was very happy that Barca approached him. Either way we paid Liverpool a lot of money for him.

De Jong? What about him? Open bidding, was it not? Didn't we compete with other clubs like PSG for him until the end?

Depay? Pfff. Rumors and apparently Koeman is the only one eager for him while the club has been pretty reluctant and lukewarm on it.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Yeah, this is my issue with these kind of takes. People like Honigstein focus entirely on the objective of "making the title race competetive", so much that they are ready to abandon every other thing the league has going for. He suggests cutting the league to 14 teams and limitting TV money support only to these, while not engaging on the question of what happens the other 4 teams then or everyone in the 2nd division.

Exactly. Essentially his idea is like the ESL, with less but more competitive clubs and hopefully more eyeballs and hence more TV money, with zero regard to those clubs that are not part of the picture. I wonder what his take on the ESL was.

 

[DonAK]

Suarez? Didn't he get sidelined and marginalized by Liverpool after his biting incident at the 2014 World Cup? I remember reading that he said he felt he was shunned and not wanted by anybody and was very happy that Barca approached him. Either way we paid Liverpool a lot of money for him.

De Jong? What about him? Open bidding, was it not? Didn't we compete with other clubs like PSG for him until the end?

Depay? Pfff. Rumors and apparently Koeman is the only one eager for him while the club has been pretty reluctant and lukewarm on it.

Not to forget Frenkie was on verge of signing for PSG until Barca flew to Amsterdam to negotiate and finalize the signing.

 

[El Gato]

Not to forget Frenkie was on verge of signing for PSG until Barca flew to Amsterdam to negotiate and finalize the signing.

And that's not 'tapping up'? It'd be naive to believe they didn't talk to him personally.
Ajax even made a meme video based on how many calls they'd received from Barca IIRC lol

 

[DonAK]

And that's not 'tapping up'? It'd be naive to believe they didn't talk to him personally.
Ajax even made a meme video based on how many calls they'd received from Barca IIRC lol

Speaking to the player's agent or the player through his agent is not 'tapping up'.

Zidane speaking about how much he loves Hazard prior to signing him is what you can call for 'tapping up'.

 

[Luftstalag14]

I mean it's literally implicit how it might make upper-middle more affluent - fewer teams to split the same pot.

In the 19/20 season the bottom four Bundesliga clubs received a total of 135m of TV money. Divide that equally by 14 comes down to 9.6m per club for the other 14 clubs above them. Does he think receiving like 10m more a season will make the other 14 clubs much better and the league more attractive and competitive?

 

[El Gato]

Speaking to the player's agent or the player through his agent is not 'tapping up'.

Zidane speaking about how much he loves Hazard prior to signing him is what you can call for 'tapping up'.

You mean like Pique and Messi did with Neymar during the comeback rumor mill?

In the 19/20 season the bottom four Bundesliga clubs received a total of 135m of TV money. Divide that equally by 14 comes down to 9.6m per club for the other 14 clubs above them. Does he think receiving like 10m more a season will make the other 14 clubs much better and the league more attractive and competitive?

Don't think so. Getting the feeling you didn't read the article since it explicitly talks about the difference in domestic and international TV rights distribution imbalance.

Then again I don't have a horse in this race.