Karim Adeyemi

[Messigician]

Bar?a are preparing a 20m +17m in variables offer for Karim Adeyemi.

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[khaled_a_d]

Are we certain though that this Adeyemi is the real deal?

No, but his profile is really really what we need.
Super quick lefty attacker who can play as 9 or a winger.
He is a risk just like any player of his age tbf

 

[Birdy]

Dude, what is the discussion here?
Because we are basically moving between topics
You make few claims:
A-Wonderkids stopped going to big clubs directly because they are smarter:
Simple answer that this is factually incorrect. Only way you think this way is if you look only to clubs like Dortmund and ignore dozens of "wonderkid" that join big clubs on annual basis.

B-You don't even identify wonderkid. What is it exactly in the context of this discussion?
Is Minamino at the age of 25 a wonderkid? same way as Demir at the age of 18? Both coming from same league too
I would call bs on that.
Same with putting 22 years old Lewa joining BVB at same bracket as 17 years old Bellingham or Sancho joining BVB directly from youth systems, or put either of those at same bracket of Adeyemi, who is proven in CL football and doing great in his league.

C-Smart move is to join Dortmund before big clubs.
This is again a wide discussion, because wonderkid in your argument goes from 17 years old Bellingham to 25 years old Minamino.
The truth is, as BBZ always love to remind us, is the odds are usually against
And every case is different from the other.
Adeyemi for example made the right decision for himself to not join Barca B in 2019, and continue to wait in Salzburg.
But Salzburg in itself is an intermediary club, and going to BVB can't grantee anything for him other than a chance to show himself

D- That there is a ladder for players: But that ladder isn't always linear, some player move to big clubs then to smaller ones then to big clubs again, and usually it is helpful process, other actually move down as they age for whatever reasons while some players are ready to skip that ladder to the top
So what does a player like Adeyemi see himself is the question. How he accurately assess himself is the smart thing.

OK, let's go point by point

A: No, it's not. dozens?
You pointed to Vinicius and Rodrigo, but I think at least the last 3-5 years we have seen more and more wonderkids opting for those intermediate clubs like BVB.
I bet you can't find many more having done so recently

B: That's a good question.
I guess it's difficult to define it other than the next kid that makes enough of a hype and plays at a lower level league, and is aged below 25 or most of the times somewhere between 17 and 23?
Minamino was bought late 2019 by liverpool, not in 2021, and he was 24 back then. Maybe an 'old wonderkid' compared to others, but still within that range...
I don't get your point that Adeyemi is proven in CL? What do you mean? He plays for a CL team like many wonderkids did in the past

C: Of course you don't know what will happen in the future and which one of them will work.
Pointed that above.
But it's smarter for the player, as it's the 'safer' option. If he can't establish himself at Dortmund, then he does not belong even at the 2nd tier level
Salzburg by the way is 3rd tier at best

D: When they move from big clubs to smaller ones, it's only for a reason: they failed at the big club they were at.
And it's an admission of a mistake from their part to make the step early enough and not take the ladder route

PS: Don't get me wrong
I would be fuckin' excited to see Adeyemi come here!!!!
I just don't see it, and part of the reason is the A, C, and D reasons above

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

No, but his profile is really really what we need.
Super quick lefty attacker who can play as 9 or a winger.
He is a risk just like any player of his age tbf

This. He happens to fit almost every need we have upfront with a lot of potential for a great price.

 

[Andresito]

There's a golden opportunity of becoming Barca's number one star with Ansu not having taken that step yet. Dembele probably sees that too.

Barca's promises are highly dependant on how the attackers perform under Xavi. At worst (for Karim himself), he'll will be promised the 4th spot behind Ansu, Memphis and Dembele if they somehow manage to stay fit.
Even then, Memphis will have a year left on his contract, and Dembele might not even renew.

Can't see why anyone would choose BVB over Barca now, unless you're a technical midfielder. It's a free ticket to the top.

 

[FCBarca]

This. He happens to fit almost every need we have upfront with a lot of potential for a great price.

Absolutely. I see him as a sensational prospect and unlike some of the preposterous takes in here, Salzburg fans are desperate to hold onto him but resigned to the reality that he will be leaving for a big club

He has an incredible motor & intelligence for the game, whomever gets him will be getting a difference maker

 

[serghei]

No, but his profile is really really what we need.
Super quick lefty attacker who can play as 9 or a winger.
He is a risk just like any player of his age tbf

Isn't this Fati's thing - LW attacking the box - minus the speed part?

 

[Andresito]

Isn't this Fati's thing - LW attacking the box - minus the speed part?

Adeyemi is left footed.

 

[serghei]

Adeyemi is left footed.

So, he plays RW or LW most often?

 

[mc_lovin]

So, he plays RW or LW most often?

He strikes me as the left footed Mbappe. Can play everywhere, but RW/inverted winger is preferable to CF/LW.

 

[serghei]

He strikes me as the left footed Mbappe. Can play everywhere, but RW/inverted winger is preferable to CF/LW.

Wow, really? Get him then, Mbappe is best player in the world for me, on par with Salah.

 

[mc_lovin]

Wow, really? Get him then, Mbappe is best player in the world for me, on par with Salah.

Not talking quality obviously

But the style is pretty similar, both live off pace and have a similar 1v1 style (combative/physical - comparable to wide receivers in the NFL?).

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Tbh I really thought his future is German Bundesliga. However, the fact that Barca has been after him for a long time (way before the hype around him started) might help in tempting him to move to Barcelona. La Liga table obviously looks bad at the moment, but we'll see if Xavi can develop them into a top 4 team which is key. Joining a big club with few young talents like Ansu, Gavi, FDJ, Araujo, Pedri, Nico, Dest, ... that is looking to rebuild after their prime and build a new team could be an interesting project for any young player.

Regarding the type of player since some still don't know him. I'd describe Adeyemi as the closest Barca can get to Madrid-bound Mbappe. The good thing of Adeyemi is that he clearly is a finisher more than an assister and that's exactly what we need. Someone who takes responsibility in front of the goal and looking for the finish.

Since Demir and Dabbur got mentioned as negative examples not making the cut in Spain: Demir wasn't even a starter for Rapid in Austria and there is a difference of doing what Dabbur did in his mid-twenties and doing what Adeyemi does aged 19.

Don't think there is a possibility to get him in the winter. Obviously, from Barca's perspective there is still the ongoing issue with the salary cap. Adeyemi hasn't a release clause unlike Haaland and RBS likely will make it to the knockout stages for the first time in their history. I doubt they'll let go their best player in that case, but it is clear that they won't put obstacles in Adeyemi's way if he chooses to take the next step coming summer.

 

[Messi983]

So it is important to understand you are not getting a world beater as many are making out, youre getting a young player with big potential, but not someone 'proven' that will come in and win you points and carry you to top4. We are betting on his potential. He would certainly start here but if he would be a star player and carry us is questionable.

Another thing that is missed is Adeyemi himself and the RBS coaches confirmed several times recently he is staying till the summer, so also keep that in mind.

You don't understand things correctly, we're talking about a future transfer for next season which could be arranged before but we know he won't come in January.

Nobody is expecting him to come in and and carry us to top 4. We'll get another player (Ziyech being the last one linked to us) on loan in January to help us do that.

For these reasons he will probably go Salzburg ---->Bvb-----> Bayern. Playing against Segunda B level farmers in Austria for your league and then having to do it week in week out in a big league is hard with pressure and BVB provides the easy attacking environment, in a quasi-top league, to showcase the player.

Other than Spanish sources, most of them say BVB are in pole to sign him for around 35m.

Doesn't really matter who media favorite to sign him is. Players don't always go where they're expected to go (especially with probably still months before he'll make a final decision) and we also don't know what plans Adeyemi has.

But German sources were the ones who first reported his agent was in Barcelona a few weeks ago and that we'll make official bid this week. So this is far from just being Catalan media thing.

As for your first point, you're just nitpicking. He has performed well in the CL against likes of Sevilla and Lille. He would surely be a good enough player to help us win La Liga in next few years. He alone probably wouldn't be enough to make a difference in CL immediately but could develop together with other youngsters (and hopefully a few other smart signings) to again make us competitive on a top level longterm.

Bar?a are preparing a 20m +17m in variables offer for Karim Adeyemi.

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This won't do it but I guess it's ok for a first bid (if true). It's just testing the waters and Barca surely expect this offer to be rejected but could negotiate from here on and send an improved bid (with more money upfront which is what I'd expect RBS wants) in coming weeks.

We'll probably need to offer at least 30m (equalling what they've received for Patson Daka as the club record sale but could see Salzburg holding out for even more considering all the hype surrounding Adeyemi) and variables. In most recent report Fernando Polo also says this is what Barca thinks would be needed to get him. And assuming Dortmund's offer is 35m (I'm sure they've also included some variables) I believe this could be true.

Only disadvantage I could see us having compared to Dortmund is Salzburg knows Borussia is also a selling club so they can include a higher % of future sale and if sold for 80-100m in two years they could get another 10m or so. So we'd need to compensate that difference elswhere as it's clear if Adeyemi will come here and succeed we won't sell him anytime soon and if he'd flop we wouldn't get anywhere near as much for him as Dortmund could when sold.

But OTOH Salzburg as a selling club also doesn't want to get a bad image with potential future players and their agents so don't expect them to hold out for a few millions and go against the player's will if Adeyemi would decide to come here as long as our offer will be at least somewhat comparable/competitive with other offers (which I think it will be if he's our priority). Ofc if PSG would suddenly come in with a 50m offer when we'd almost have a transfer agreed for 30m then I'd understand Salzburg trying to push him towards taking their offer (and he'd probably do it as they would probably also offer him double wages).

And that's why I think we're smart trying to do this transfer early when PSG still hopes to renew Mbappe, Madrid is concentrated on getting him and City's focus is probably on Kane. So Dortmund seems to be our biggest rival for Adeyemi's signature. We should take them seriously but at least we can compete with them financially (which is a strange thing to say but it's true in these times). So it's more up to the club to convince Adeyemi in our sporting plan. It would help us immensely if Xavi would start with a string of good results and we'd get into top 4 by January/February when I think a potential future transfer could be arranged. If we'll still be a midtable club at that time then signing Adeyemi (and other players on future deals) would be much tougher with serious chances to missing out on a CL football next year.

But I'm still quite optimistic that Xavi with a help of returning players will turn our season around.

 

[mc_lovin]

Who are the alternatives anyway?

Our forwards are Depay, Dembele and Ansu. The rest is useless, and the latter two count as one at best. We need 2-3 offensive signings badly.