Karim Adeyemi

[FinBarcelonafan]

Would be nice to get a wonderkid like Adeyemi before he turns worldclass and everyone is willing to drop over 100M for him.

The kid looks to be a better fit for our team than Haaland.

Exactly. If this kid goes to Dortmund, he will be valued hundred million next season.

 

[Vladinho]

Does he have some Romanian roots?

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Does he have some Romanian roots?

Talking about Romanian roots, we should sign the next wonderkid from Romania. He played for Barca juniors already but couldn't sign him because underage or something. He just scored a goal for Romania I think.

 

[Vladinho]

Are you referring to Enes Sali?

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Are you referring to Enes Sali?

Yes. Born in Canada. What a crazy story he has.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Wonderkids are more clever now than 5-10 years ago

But they aren't really, it is the same process of being advised by agents and parents to make their decisions.
It is same process as it was 10 years ago, when some will join big clubs right away, other will take a step back for playing time.

He knows he has to take the correct path to become a top player,
hence he will not opt to go to the top destination (Barca or EPL) now,
but gradually make his way there, and the next stop after Salzburg is Bundesliga and the likes of Leipzig or Dortmund.

How many players eventually became superstar from those clubs? Can't remember a single one from Leipzig who became a world beater.
BVB? Lewa left at 26, and was a starter/star for Bayern but didn't exactly became a true superstar/legend until his 30's.
Who else? Don't say Halaand because he didn't succeed elsewhere yet
Best I can remember is Hummels, who reached the level of being undisputed starter at Bayern.

BVB will get you the next fat cheque while getting their own profit.
But it is questionable whether they are doing so by making you prepare for next stage or just by being successful in showing you.

The above is confirmed by reliable reports saying Dortmund is the favorite to sign him.
Only the clown Romero spreading false news is saying otherwise

You were right about that part, but not anymore btw. Reliable sources from Germany and Spain saying we are one of the main competitors for him.

Dortmund in pole position for Karim, then other clubs, and last is probably us

Here is the deal:
BVB can offer him the promise of being starter, they can show him they will make him move to big clubs, they can accept a release clause.
They can't sell him a project, they are a selling club, Rose isn't doing exactly good job with the club. they were badly outplayed by Ajax for example.

Barca: they are big club rebuilding their squad, we can promise him starting spot, a new project, a long history of developing our own superstars that actually made it big time.
We don't really have anyone coming in his position (unlike BVB with Moukoko and Malen)
And in case he failed, he knows that you will move from Barca to midtable EPL or to Dortmund or Liepzieg. If he failed in BVB he will be playing in tier 3 clubs.

What is more is that Barca offered 15M for him when he just made it to Salzburg B team, and he rejected us in fear of blocked path to 1st team, we now are coming again for 40M offer. This isn't a club that is just being opportunistic like Dortmund but a club that really values him and have big plans for him. This things matters a lot.

I am not saying we will surely get him, but we have just got Y.Demir when Dortmund made an offer for him, we have very good chance in getting wonderkids. Rebuilding projects is always enticing for players like that

 

[Birdy]

But they aren't really, it is the same process of being advised by agents and parents to make their decisions.
It is same process as it was 10 years ago, when some will join big clubs right away, other will take a step back for playing time.




How many players eventually became superstar from those clubs? Can't remember a single one from Leipzig who became a world beater.
BVB? Lewa left at 26, and was a starter/star for Bayern but didn't exactly became a true superstar/legend until his 30's.
Who else? Don't say Halaand because he didn't succeed elsewhere yet
Best I can remember is Hummels, who reached the level of being undisputed starter at Bayern.

BVB will get you the next fat cheque while getting their own profit.
But it is questionable whether they are doing so by making you prepare for next stage or just by being successful in showing you.



You were right about that part, but not anymore btw. Reliable sources from Germany and Spain saying we are one of the main competitors for him.




Here is the deal:
BVB can offer him the promise of being starter, they can show him they will make him move to big clubs, they can accept a release clause.
They can't sell him a project, they are a selling club, Rose isn't doing exactly good job with the club. they were badly outplayed by Ajax for example.

Barca: they are big club rebuilding their squad, we can promise him starting spot, a new project, a long history of developing our own superstars that actually made it big time.
We don't really have anyone coming in his position (unlike BVB with Moukoko and Malen)
And in case he failed, he knows that you will move from Barca to midtable EPL or to Dortmund or Liepzieg. If he failed in BVB he will be playing in tier 3 clubs.

What is more is that Barca offered 15M for him when he just made it to Salzburg B team, and he rejected us in fear of blocked path to 1st team, we now are coming again for 40M offer. This isn't a club that is just being opportunistic like Dortmund but a club that really values him and have big plans for him. This things matters a lot.

I am not saying we will surely get him, but we have just got Y.Demir when Dortmund made an offer for him, we have very good chance in getting wonderkids. Rebuilding projects is always enticing for players like that

1) You are wrong about BVB.
Let's look at the last few years how many players made their name there:
Apart from Goetze, Lewa, Gundogan, Kagawa, and Hummels, who belong to the Klopp era, you have:
Mhikitarian, Aubameyang, Dembele, Pulisic, Sancho, Haaland, Belligham (already looked by Liverpool and other EPL clubs)
The next on the list will be Malen, who in 1-2 years will be sought after by big clubs, and Julian Brandt

So the track record is more than good for Adeyemi to firmly believe he will make his name there, and have it for sure that in 2-3 years top clubs will be lining up for his signature and a massive contract, like they are for Haaland right now

For Leipzig: They are not yet at the level of BVB but moving smoothly towards that.
Werner, Upamecano, Konate the 3 recent transfers attesting to that

2) There are 2 big differences between a club like Barca and BVB, that always tip the scale in favor of BVB for a young wonderkid that wants to reach the next level in his development:

i) The player is a certified starter at BVB, and not at Barca even in transition.
If he fails to play at the level required he knows the bench awaits for him, and he will never be able to develop without playing

But you say let's assume he will be also a certified starter at Barca. Then:
ii) The pressure at Barca is of completely different level at BVB.
You can be a starter at Barca, but if you fail to deliver or deliver at the level required, you will constantly be under the microscope, and the pressure can crumble your development (if we are talking about a young player).
A stable environment is needed for a young player to develop both in terms of a coach who develops youngsters and teaches them things
(and if we assume that will happen at Barca with Xavi) but also in terms of a pressure-free environment with no big demands from the players

And if the 1st can happen at Barca now (I doubt it), the 2nd will never happen at a club like Barca, and players know that

 

[khaled_a_d]

1) You are wrong about BVB.
Let's look at the last few years how many players made their name there:
Apart from Goetze, Lewa, and Hummels, who belong to the Klopp era, you have:
Mhikitarian, Aubameyang, Dembele, Pulisic, Sancho, Haaland, Belligham (already looked by Liverpool and other EPL clubs)
The next on the list will be Malen, who in 1-2 years will be sought after by big clubs, and Julian Brandt

That is laughable list
Those players transfered to big clubs, but who became a star player? Which a talent like Adeyemi aspire for?
Sancho didn't prove shit, neither did Goetze(health was issue) Mhikitarian, Dembele, Pulisic were meh. Halaand and Belligham didn't even make that move yet.
Malen are more likely to be moved back to Eredivise than making a big move, he has the Luuk De Jong vibes in his Dortmund so far.

Non of those names became a star, what they did is moving to other big clubs which Karim has the chance to do now while skipping the Dortmund move.
Aubameyang is the only name who succeeded big time after the move, forgot about him. But he joined them at 24 and left at 28,and succeeded at Arsenal.

2) There are 2 big differences between a club like Barca and BVB, that always tip the scale in favor of BVB for a young wonderkid that wants to reach the next level in his development:

i) The player is a certified starter at BVB, and not at Barca even in transition.
If he fails to play at the level required he knows the bench awaits for him, and he will never be able to develop without playing

But you say let's assume he will be also a certified starter at Barca. Then:
ii) The pressure at Barca is of completely different level at BVB.
You can be a starter at Barca, but if you fail to deliver or deliver at the level required, you will constantly be under the microscope, and the pressure can crumble your development (if we are talking about a young player).
A stable environment is needed for a young player to develop both in terms of a coach who develops youngsters and teaches them things
(and if we assume that will happen at Barca with Xavi) but also in terms of a pressure-free environment with no big demands from the players

And if the 1st can happen at Barca now (I doubt it), the 2nd will never happen at a club like Barca, and players know that

We can and will promise him a starting spot, there is really no argument there.
The pressure argument is fair, but then again it is also a question of what does Adeyemi wants?
Does he just want to play in big clubs? sure at Dortmund he will get the chance to do this later, with bigger pay cheque when it happens, but this is where it ends. And he can already make that while skipping the Bundesliga move.

Does he wants to be a star player? a ballon dor contender? Again, Dortmund never did that.
Pressure during development will happen sooner or later, if the kid trust himself he will opt for the now move.

And please, you keep saying players knows that but you still ignore that players and wonderkids still joing big clubs.
Vinicious, Rodrigue, Yussuf Demir, Emre Demir, other highly rated youngsters who joins Chelsea, City and Manu annually.

 

[Yannik]

Quite frankly: why would it be an argument against joining Dortmund, if a few players went on to get their careers ruined by another club AFTER leaving Dortmund?
If anything Dortmund got the most out of them. Got a bunch of talents that barely even had a thread on Barcaforum yet and made them worldfamous, caps for their NTs, big offers from big clubs etc.
Sounds like these players should've stayed there instead of overvalueing themselves.

Can't remember a single one from Leipzig who became a world beater.

Sure but how many examples are we referencing them here? In their entire 10 minute old club history they had 2 high profile sales and those are not "worldclass", yet not terrible either, that's it.
Not counting Upamecano because he's still out there, plus actually doing good so by the looks of it the 3rd sale might already become your first worldclass player.
These are the same people that manage the other branch Salzburg by the way, so I kinda doubt that they struggle in the developement area. Their new toy Leipzig tho just hasn't exist for long enough yet to have much of a portfolio.

Vinicious, Rodrigue, Yussuf Demir, Emre Demir, other highly rated youngsters who joins Chelsea, City and Manu annually.

Dozens in fact, but from how many do we ever hear again?
Even Vinicius who is the only one there doing well right now is just doing so because Real Madrid did not have the chance to replace him with Mbapp? yet. The fact that he is having a great season is just down to the fact that Real Madrid involuntarily missed replacing him with a more expensive toy, because that's what happens when you go to most big clubs: They'll not stick around with you if you do not deliver immediately. And even with Vinicius now doing good, the poor guy will probably STILL be on the bench in a year.
The concept of going up a "ladder" and not taking the shortcut to directly play in the best team is old, proven and doesn't need to be questionned. It exists for a reason.

 

[Birdy]

That is laughable list
Those players transfered to big clubs, but who became a star player? Which a talent like Adeyemi aspire for?
Sancho didn't prove shit, neither did Goetze(health was issue) Mhikitarian, Dembele, Pulisic were meh. Halaand and Belligham didn't even make that move yet.
Malen are more likely to be moved back to Eredivise than making a big move, he has the Luuk De Jong vibes in his Dortmund so far.

Non of those names became a star, what they did is moving to other big clubs which Karim has the chance to do now while skipping the Dortmund move.
Aubameyang is the only name who succeeded big time after the move, forgot about him. But he joined them at 24 and left at 28,and succeeded at Arsenal.



We can and will promise him a starting spot, there is really no argument there.
The pressure argument is fair, but then again it is also a question of what does Adeyemi wants?
Does he just want to play in big clubs? sure at Dortmund he will get the chance to do this later, with bigger pay cheque when it happens, but this is where it ends. And he can already make that while skipping the Bundesliga move.

Does he wants to be a star player? a ballon dor contender? Again, Dortmund never did that.
Pressure during development will happen sooner or later, if the kid trust himself he will opt for the now move.

And please, you keep saying players knows that but you still ignore that players and wonderkids still joing big clubs.
Vinicious, Rodrigue, Yussuf Demir, Emre Demir, other highly rated youngsters who joins Chelsea, City and Manu annually.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough about the list
I am not saying these became all WC star players.
I am saying that each and every one of them developped massively at Dortmund, and reached the next level in their development, which is
'post-wonderkid' but potentially WC asset that the elite of Europe wants to lure.
Whatever happens after that is irrelevant.
Yes, some of them never made it, and you can say only Lewa, Hummels from that list climbed to WC level in their next step.
You always need to prove yourself in every new level.
But at the moment they were transferred out from Dortmund, they had topped their development at that level.

On the contrary, let's look at some who were transferred directly to a top club, without the 'intermediate step' somewhere like BVB:
Minamino ->benchwarmer at Liverpool
Rodrigo -> benchwarmer at RM
Yusuf Demir -> not even benchwarmer at Barca
and many others...

Vinicius is an exception, but that can happen when they are coming from Brazil in some cases.
When they are coming from Europe, not so much...
They need that 'intermediate' step of BVB, Leipzig or Arsenal, Atalanta, etc if you want, for their development

 

[DonAK]

Why would that be smarter than coming to Barca?

Same reason as Haaland and Sancho.

One or two years at Dortmund as a starter replacing Haaland as the new attacking star of the team in a league that's quite open and can be end-to-end. Rack up good stats and get a mega transfer with 3-5x the salary as we're offering him right now.

More and more young talents are choosing to take a middle step at Dortmund, Leipzig, Ajax and teams like that before making their big move. More leeway and less pressure to develop while having the chance to secure an even bigger transfer with much more money within three years.

It is the smart move.

The brave move would be betting on yourself and joining a big club right away.

 

[DonAK]

Does he have some Romanian roots?

His mother is Romanian.

 

[JamDav1982]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough about the list
I am not saying these became all WC star players.
I am saying that each and every one of them developped massively at Dortmund, and reached the next level in their development, which is
'post-wonderkid' but potentially WC asset that the elite of Europe wants to lure.
Whatever happens after that is irrelevant.
Yes, some of them never made it, and you can say only Lewa, Hummels from that list climbed to WC level in their next step.
You always need to prove yourself in every new level.
But at the moment they were transferred out from Dortmund, they had topped their development at that level.

On the contrary, let's look at some who were transferred directly to a top club, without the 'intermediate step' somewhere like BVB:
Minamino ->benchwarmer at Liverpool
Konate ->benchwarmer so far at Liverpool
Rodrigo -> benchwarmer at RM
Yusuf Demir -> not even benchwarmer at Barca
and many others...

Vinicius is an exception, but that can happen when they are coming from Brazil in some cases.
When they are coming from Europe, not so much...
They need that 'intermediate' step of BVB, Leipzig or Arsenal, Atalanta, etc if you want, for their development

Konate was at Leipzig. Cant have him down as missing out on that step then name them as a club players got to for development.

Likes of Pedri and Vinscuis Jnr have done fine going straight to the top clubs.

There is a risk for any players failing to make it at the biggest clubs though. Regardless of their age.

 

[Birdy]

Konate was at Leipzig. Cant have him down as missing out on that step then name them as a club players got to for development.

Likes of Pedri and Vinscuis Jnr have done fine going straight to the top clubs.

There is a risk for any players failing to make it at the biggest clubs though. Regardless of their age.

Konate my bad. Cross him out.
Pedri is a notable exception as well

 

[fergus90]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough about the list
I am not saying these became all WC star players.
I am saying that each and every one of them developped massively at Dortmund, and reached the next level in their development, which is
'post-wonderkid' but potentially WC asset that the elite of Europe wants to lure.
Whatever happens after that is irrelevant.
Yes, some of them never made it, and you can say only Lewa, Hummels from that list climbed to WC level in their next step.
You always need to prove yourself in every new level.
But at the moment they were transferred out from Dortmund, they had topped their development at that level.

On the contrary, let's look at some who were transferred directly to a top club, without the 'intermediate step' somewhere like BVB:
Minamino ->benchwarmer at Liverpool
Rodrigo -> benchwarmer at RM
Yusuf Demir -> not even benchwarmer at Barca
and many others...

Vinicius is an exception, but that can happen when they are coming from Brazil in some cases.
When they are coming from Europe, not so much...
They need that 'intermediate' step of BVB, Leipzig or Arsenal, Atalanta, etc if you want, for their development

Malen has not developed massively at Dortmund, if anything he’s been a huge disappointment. The same could be said for Brandt who a few years ago looked better than he does now.