Kylian Mbappé

[Horatio]

I am excited somehow for next season to see how things pan out. Flick vs mbappe. But first we still have copa and euros siuu

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Alright say what you need to if that helps you.

Amigo, obviously I didn't want them to get Mbappe, but what is the point of panicking, especially when we don't know how it is going to turn out yet.

Everyone thought PSG would win the UCL when Messi went there and they never even came close.
Everyone thought Barca would dominate the UCL for years after the performance in 2011, the greatest UCL final performance of all time, and what happened?

More important than having great players is having a great balance. What's clear is that Mbappe upsets the balance as there is no place to put him directly in the team. He's a left winger and so is Vini. Neither are centre forwards or right wingers. It's a bit like the situation when we bought Griez, who plays in Messi's space and look how that turned out.

Of course, their team is far better, and they will be big favourites for the league, but not being able to be calm until Barca win the UCL is not a healthy mental position to take.

Even this shit season we have just had, there has been great things to take from. Watching Pau and Lamine play well in the Champions League. Hector Fort, Fermin, Guiu, coming through. Faye, Bernal to emerge next season. Gavin, Balde coming back. No other club in Europe is bringing players from their academy through like us, and there is some joy to take from that.

One has to try to stay positive.

 

[Morten]

Amigo, obviously I didn't want them to get Mbappe, but what is the point of panicking, especially when we don't know how it is going to turn out yet.

Everyone thought PSG would win the UCL when Messi went there and they never even came close.
Everyone thought Barca would dominate the UCL for years after the performance in 2011, the greatest UCL final performance of all time, and what happened?

More important than having great players is having a great balance. What's clear is that Mbappe upsets the balance as there is no place to put him directly in the team. He's a left winger and so is Vini. Neither are centre forwards or right wingers. It's a bit like the situation when we bought Griez, who plays in Messi's space and look how that turned out.

Of course, their team is far better, and they will be big favourites for the league, but not being able to be calm until Barca win the UCL is not a healthy mental position to take.

Even this shit season we have just had, there has been great things to take from. Watching Pau and Lamine play well in the Champions League. Hector Fort, Fermin, Guiu, coming through. Faye, Bernal to emerge next season. Gavin, Balde coming back. No other club in Europe is bringing players from their academy through like us, and there is some joy to take from that.

One has to try to stay positive.

The 2nd one yes, but i don't think the expectations were that high in terms of PSG winning it, a flawed trio, with declining Neymar, declining Messi(at club level), Mbappe was young, but neither he or Messi presses of the ball, fine in France, i guess, but not against the best teams in Europe.

I'm not sure how the front trio works out for us, but at least there is more workrate, and more threat in behind than aging Messi and PSG Neymar, both are stationary and wants ball at feet.

 

[Devils]

Hard to face the reality but need to accept the undeniable: We are finished!

:wow:

 

[Birdy]

This is some kind of coping?
RM will be stacked with multiple bdor candidates and obviously a winner. We will have ferran, raphinia and Lewandowski (and some 16 yo kid) for our front line.
CL is not a competition you can win if your team let's you down.
Having a team that can actually be clutch and not depend on a player bailing them out every time will do wonders for Mbappe.

We have top quality in our squad, bar some obvious holes.
Don't buy the Serghei-ist narratives. Has been answered 1 million times already.
What we lack is the coach to unlock the potential and piece everything together.

Don't compare Barca to Madrid's Galactico policy. It never worked here, recall Barto's disastrous transfers.
They can have as many Galacticos they want, we will smash them on the pitch when we build a good team again, as we did in the past

There's no obvious solution for the XI at the moment.

The FIFA lineup of Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo front three might not work and instead it will have to be Rodrygo CF with Mbappe on the wing. Vini's not going to be benched so that leaves 3 spots for Tchou, Fede, Cama and Jude.

Otherwise there's the option of playing a diamond midfield with all those midfielders, with Fede covering the right wing. And using Vini/Mbappe like this year's Vini/Rodrygo.

Courtois
Carvajal, Miltao, Rudiger, Mendy
Fede, Tchou, Cama
Jude
Mbappe, Vini

What you write is the obvious solution obviously.
Ancelotti won't change his system from this season, and simply put the better player mbape instead of Rodrygo

Without Mbappe, PSG would be absolute peasants. Secondly you are asking what will be different with him in the line up instead of Rodrygo? Do i even need to answer that?

As for wage structure. I have no doubt you have done your research about Madrid’s wage structure or in general economic health, while also having the accurate info about his wages.

Yes he is better than Rodrygo.
I was talking about systematic changes, and gelling all that talent together, acquiring tactical identity on the pitch, instead of Ancelotti's 'go out and combine as you wish'
which I have my doubts

There is
A 4-3-3 is what they'll go with to start with to try and see how it functions in a shape team was used to during Benzema days
If Rodrygo does better, they'll stick with him, if he sucks, they might rotate Guler/Brahim and see if that sacrifice proves more in benefit to rest of the side

Diamond makes no sense with the amount of wide players anymore
4-2-3-1 with two pivots is another halfway house they might try

Makes 0 sense to sacrifice a midfielder from a system that at least on paper worked this season

 

[JohnN]

We have top quality in our squad, bar some obvious holes.
Don't buy the Serghei-ist narratives. Has been answered 1 million times already.
What we lack is the coach to unlock the potential and piece everything together.

Don't compare Barca to Madrid's Galactico policy. It never worked here, recall Barto's disastrous transfers.
They can have as many Galacticos they want, we will smash them on the pitch when we build a good team again, as we did in the past


What you write is the obvious solution obviously.
Ancelotti won't change his system from this season, and simply put the better player mbape instead of Rodrygo



Yes he is better than Rodrygo.
I was talking about systematic changes, and gelling all that talent together, acquiring tactical identity on the pitch, instead of Ancelotti's 'go out and combine as you wish'
which I have my doubts




Makes 0 sense to sacrifice a midfielder from a system that at least on paper worked this season

We have an obvious disadvantage in offensive talent and in my opinion in midfield too.
Barca have always been a team of great individuals. Even if the coach manages to create a unit that in principal operates better than the galacticos v.2 Madrid, in knockout competitions and big games, individual talent will win you games (provided there is a minimum level of supporting cast).

 

[Windhook]

Hard to face the reality but need to accept the undeniable: We are finished!

:wow:

There are periods of club domination for either Real or Barca. Now it's Real's turn. No need for throwing the towel, Barca can benefit and grow its squad playing against the ultimate version of Real Madrid.

 

[Birdy]

We have an obvious disadvantage in offensive talent and in my opinion in midfield too.
Barca have always been a team of great individuals. Even if the coach manages to create a unit that in principal operates better than the galacticos v.2 Madrid, in knockout competitions and big games, individual talent will win you games (provided there is a minimum level of supporting cast).

We didn't buy that talent for the most part (Masia graduates), and the ones we bought we made them starts, like Roni, Eto, etc.

Nothing to do with Flo's obsession of buying every star player out there

 

[cracken]

We didn't buy that talent for the most part (Masia graduates), and the ones we bought we made them starts, like Roni, Eto, etc.

Nothing to do with Flo's obsession of buying every star player out there

The Brazilians that Barca bought over the years were already acclaimed and highly sought after stars before getting there (Neymar, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario, R9)

 

[Birdy]

The Brazilians that Barca bought over the years were already acclaimed and highly sought after stars before getting there (Neymar, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario, R9)

They were known as talents and sought after, but they were not bought as ready-made stars.
And it was far from certain if they would succeed or flop at a big club
All of the ones you mention

Totally different from buying ready-made stars in Zidane, R9, Becham, etc.
or Mbape in the modern era
The only ones where Flo departed from his strategy were Vinicius and Rodrygo

 

[El Gato]

Makes 0 sense to sacrifice a midfielder from a system that at least on paper worked this season

Makes perfect sense considering said midfielder has left of his own accord

But I'm not sure someone to whom football is dots on a chalkboard and data points on a graph alone would acknowledge that TBF

 

[Birdy]

Makes perfect sense considering said midfielder has left of his own accord

Tchou Camavinga Valverde Belligham is 4 who are all starters, or should be starters
Honestly, Rodrygo does not carry that much weight to bench any of the 4 above
Let alone Ancelotti's preference for congested md

 

[cracken]

They were known as talents and sought after, but they were not bought as ready-made stars.
And it was far from certain if they would succeed or flop at a big club
All of the ones you mention

Romario came in his prime, was Brazil's best player, and was already proven in Europe. He was already a star and there was 0 doubts about him.
Ronaldinho was a world cup winner and universally acclaimed as the best 23 and under player in the world. He was as close to a sure thing as you can get. Same goes for Neymar and R9 who already got the keys to the Brazilian NT and were seen as inevitable greats. It's a bit silly to credit barça for "making" these players when they were signed for big money and their eventual success was never in question and would have happened anywhere.

 

[El Gato]

Tchou Camavinga Valverde Belligham is 4 who are all starters, or should be starters
Honestly, Rodrygo does not carry that much weight to bench any of the 4 above
Let alone Ancelotti's preference for congested md

Camavinga is not a starter whether its him or Tchouameni is a tossup. And competition there is good for both as things are.

Ancelotti hasnt played a congested midfield in 4 of 5 season he's been here + said many a time, even recently that he will adapt to player at disposal based on past experience with consequences of prioritising rigid structures

 

[malvolio]

There are periods of club domination for either Real or Barca. Now it's Real's turn. No need for throwing the towel, Barca can benefit and grow its squad playing against the ultimate version of Real Madrid.

Yes, but it wasn't obvious until it actually happened. Real and Barca always went neck and neck when it came to transfers. So the expectations were based on something. If Madrid got a star or two, then we usually get one too. Now with the lack of top talent around, them getting Mbappe is a feat that we won't be able to counter, let alone match.