La Liga 14/15
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If incidents resulting from completing a motion is a redcard, then there would be lot of red cards in the game. There's always risk involved when two players go for the ball, one will be coming off looking worse. In this instance, one (otamendi) got it first, and his boot catches the other's (san jose) leg in motion. If its not slight, its not what I call aggressive either. The studs up challenge that you speak of is nothing but a mere exaggeration. Thats not how I would describe it. But hey, I'm not an expert, and I won't pretend to be one.
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Flavia
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It's not an exaggeration. And it doesn't need to be aggressive, reckless/dangerous challenges also can be punished by a red card.
Ok. Then I'm curious to know what a player in Otamendi's position/circumstance meant to do in order to avoid the contact? Looks to me like either he should just ball-watch and let the other team's player have the ball, or he somehow miraculously should suddenly freeze his self after clearing the ball.
I'm interested what the majority BF posters think about the incident. May be we should do a poll.
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Flavia
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Ok. Then I'm curious to know what a player in Otamendi's position/circumstance meant to do in order to avoid the contact? Looks to me like either he should just ball-watch and let the other team's player have the ball, or he somehow miraculously should suddenly freeze his self after clearing the ball.
I'm interested what the majority BF posters think about the incident. May be we should do a poll.
If it was Messi/Iniesta/Xavi in place of the Athletic player, I assure you this forum would be saying Otamendi should be banned from football
Otamendi came running at full speed, with his studs up, to a kind of challenge that ends up like it did. He was pretty reckless there. And it happened fast, in slow motion everything seems less dangerous.
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If it was Messi/Iniesta/Xavi in place of the Athletic player, I assure you this forum would be saying Otamendi should be banned from football
Otamendi came running at full speed, with his studs up, to a kind of challenge that ends up like it did. He was pretty reckless there. And it happened fast, in slow motion everything seems less dangerous.
Kind of an analogy, I think this is way more dangerous than Ottamendi's tackle. Still, Diego Costa was just yellow carded in that friendly!
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Flavia
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That's a different kind of tackle, and Costa was the one fouled there. And it should had been a red for the player with that nasty tackle.
But some refs are more lenient than others.
If it was Messi/Iniesta/Xavi in place of the Athletic player, I assure you this forum would be saying Otamendi should be banned from football
Otamendi came running at full speed, with his studs up, to a kind of challenge that ends up like it did. He was pretty reckless there. And it happened fast, in slow motion everything seems less dangerous.
Otamendi came running at full speed to clear the ball, which he did. Had he been a step slower, he would lose the ball, and caught more of the player. The contact in Ota's case is unavoidable. You still didn't tell me how else Ota or anyone else meant to execute such play?
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Flavia
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Otamendi came running at full speed to clear the ball, which he did. Had he been a step slower, he would lose the ball, and caught more of the player. The contact in Ota's case is unavoidable. You still didn't tell me how else Ota or anyone else meant to execute such play?
The way he chose to clear the ball was reckless, zanela. I don't know what more I can say... Watching the video is clear he went running at full speed blindly, not caring for the risks. The ball wasn't alone in the air, there was another leg there as well. He still went for it, and got both the ball and the player. Not all contacts make a foul, but going with the studs up do. It's reckless, dangerous play.
You're saying the studs up (which isn't even the case) was intentional on his part. It was the end result of a motion (kicking the ball away). A diff player would 've end up the same way. Like I previously said, there are risks involved when contesting a ball. Both Ota and SJ were aware of the risks when they went for the ball, but as it happens one player got there first and came off looking worse. It was 81 min, VAL defending a slender lead. Otamendi's play was designed to disrupt possession of the opp. team. It's logical and justified. It may look reckless, but one deserving a yellow, not a red card. If anything SJ kicked his leg in to Ota's boots. If this was at the Mestalla, this would be settled with nothing more than a yellow.
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Flavia
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No, I did not. I said he was reckless. Reckless and dangerous plays happen despite the player wanting to hurt the opponent. His play was dangerous, and it's not something that happens every game. The ref could had given a yellow, but a red wasn't wrong either.
Studs up have to be avoided, anyway. The players know that. A different angle, and the athletic player could had gotten hurt because of the studs.
In that case, any close contest will always be dangerous, as the margins are so thin. The only solution seems to be to just avoid them completely, as every studs-up moment (regardless of the nature of play, intent, gravity) will invariably get or should get red-carded in your book.
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