La Liga 2022/23

[Porque]

There's teams that actively tried to bump up their quality (Betis) and tried (Sevilla) but you see where the salary cap has taken them both. One struggled like us till the last day to register their signings, the other couldn't get the players they wanted and were capped without going transfers having to conclude first. And event then only spent a fraction of their transfer income without being able to signings pivot in the winter.

Tebas keeps talking about the EPL being a debt league, which is a bit silly as the world is a debt based financial system. The issue is the income streams to finance the debts the clubs generate anyways.

The more I think about his salary cap system the more problematic it is. There's no way you can have fluctuations of 200m cap up and down season by season. There is also serious questions to ask of it when your league's winning team has to drop their cap 200m the year directy after winning the league. That shows the financial system in your national league are broke.

Also, salary cap shoud work long term to improve the clubs economic working conditions. For example cap +/-% season to season should be capped at 5/10/15%. So if for example Barcelona are not meeting criteria then they lose 10% of cap (600m cap creates 60m reduction). Then again, don't meet criteria then it drops 10%. Atleast that way you are stopping 400m to 200m fluctuations season by season yo-yos which is not benefitial for anyone and instead have a growth/retraction system that can be better planned for.

 

[Messi983]

Not just about hate, I think they also like the financial model.
Most owners aren't big dog type of of businessmen like EPL for example, they probably prefer avoiding turning into Calcio V2 in pursuit for trying to be EPL.
Barca, RM and Bilbao being fan owned, those owners simply don't relate to them and probably don't care about them either.

It's not as much about competing with EPL at this point. La Liga is already 10 or 15 years behind them and difference will be bigger every year. But going this way Bundesliga (with their financial power) and Ligue 1 (great production of domestic talent) will easily surpass La Liga and they probably already have. Serie A (don't really know much about how they are run though) as well although they are in kind of the same boat as La Liga.

I don't like state owned clubs either but you don't need those to be in a better state than most La Liga clubs are now. In the end though I think league shouldn't regulate who club's owners are. That should be up to clubs alone and/or their fans. Wouldn't be better for Valencia if they would be owned by Qataris who would be willing to invest into the club rather than Peter Lim for example?

But what Tebas doesn't realiize it's not just foreign owners bringing their own money to EPL (financial doping as he calls it) but also the league itself generating a lot of money signing improved TV contracts every few years because they have product and they know how to sell it.

Opposite to La Liga of the past decade. Tebas has flopped hard to bring money to the league when having prime Messi, CR and Neymar (alongside many other great players both in Barca and Madrid but also some very good players in Atletico, Sevilla, Villarreal,..). If EPL would have even one of those players in their prime years their clubs would have probably twice as much money they have now and even more if they could build on the Messi vs CR rivalry playing for City or United for example. Now it's too late and bringing money to the league is much harder. It's still possible though and should be a priority rather than trying to reduce expenses of the clubs.

What's wrong and should really worry Tebas is that players these days prefer to sign for Nottingham Forrest or Crystal Palace than coming to Sevilla or Villarreal where they could potentially play CL football.

 

[Porque]

[MENTION=20930]Messi983[/MENTION]

Players don't really prefer the Brighton's (lol) to clubs like Sevilla though. It's just that they have the consistent financial means that the Spanish clubs don't.

The allure of the Premier League is absolutely dogshit. Wages and financial power of Spanish football being equal, most players would choose Spain, as would most people choose to live in Spain if financial conditions were equal.

Your right that the failing of LaLiga, and Tebas is the figurehead of that, is not developing the league so 10 clubs can spend 50m+ every season to keep up with transfer fee inflation.

Spain has an oil club (Malaga) and it wasn't worth their investment to continue to pump money into Spain. Says it all.

 

[gregorrin10]

There are whispers that Valencia management are not adverse to relegating. The reason being the large compensation package they would receive and a chance to regulate their funds.

Similarly to Villarreal a decade back.

It sounds absurd, but with management half way round the world, they can sit back and play the long game.

I'm sorry but how would that work? They'd get more money for relegation? From who exactly? There's even less money in Segunda, and no new owner is gonna touch them with a ten foot pole if they go down, even if Lim was prepared to sell, which he won't, so it's moot point anyway.

 

[Porque]

I'm sorry but how would that work? They'd get more money for relegation? From who exactly? There's even less money in Segunda, and no new owner is gonna touch them with a ten foot pole if they go down, even if Lim was prepared to sell, which he won't, so it's moot point anyway.

LaLiga has something called a compensation fund to help lessen the burden of relegated clubs. For example Espanyol received 30m when they relegated while Huesca by comparison received around 30m. The longer you have been in LaLiga, the more historic club you are and the higher % of TV rights you receive right now, the more you receive in this compensation fund.

Relegating to Segunda lowers the wages of players (Second division wage drop clauses), lowers the buyout clauses (linked with wages). So it is a quick way to financially reset the salary finances through wage reductions and sales, while maintaining a level of income thanks to the compensation fund.

It's not ideal, but it is something that Valencia have definitely looked as a financial model as a contingency. And as in the case of Espanyol who instantly bounced back, it wouldn't be the death of them and can also offer up certain advantages.

 

[El Gato]

It's effectively a parachute payment, which in itself is nothing new
Maybe scale is different and has been altered to the advantage of bigger clubs, but principle fairly normal

 

[fergus90]

[MENTION=20930]Messi983[/MENTION]

Players don't really prefer the Brighton's (lol) to clubs like Sevilla though. It's just that they have the consistent financial means that the Spanish clubs don't.

The allure of the Premier League is absolutely dogshit. Wages and financial power of Spanish football being equal, most players would choose Spain, as would most people choose to live in Spain if financial conditions were equal.

Your right that the failing of LaLiga, and Tebas is the figurehead of that, is not developing the league so 10 clubs can spend 50m+ every season to keep up with transfer fee inflation.

Spain has an oil club (Malaga) and it wasn't worth their investment to continue to pump money into Spain. Says it all.

I think it depends, sure most South Americans would choose Spain to play football as climate, culture and language is more closely aligned to what they know.

However a lot of Europe migrate to the PL especially the Scandinavian regions. Likes of Austria, Croatia, Turkey regularly play in Germany and always have done.

It feels to me like both Spain and Italy are currently unable to compete due to both finances for high profile transfers and the clubs scouting, analytics departments falling way behind other leagues.

France dwarfs other countries for talents, Germany seems progressive in coaching and scouting young talents from Japan, USA even poaching English youngsters and their usual feeder leagues. England has the finances.

But Spain they are picking up likes of 36 year old Cavani's and 34 year old Lewas instead of 18 year old gems with massive resale value.

There are quick and immediate fixes though that La Liga can do without money. Quit allowing the game to be disrupted so much, to make it more enticing for the neutrals. Get the leagues president off Twitter publicly disputing the registration of an 18 year old player. The man has a lot to say about how other leagues operate but does little in the way of personal reflection. He devalues the product.

No other league would have a public showcase on how half of them are struggling to register players before the leagues opener. For the sake of Spanish footballs popularity for future generations, he needs to go.

 

[Porque]

I think it depends, sure most South Americans would choose Spain to play football as climate, culture and language is more closely aligned to what they know.

However a lot of Europe migrate to the PL especially the Scandinavian regions. Likes of Austria, Croatia, Turkey regularly play in Germany and always have done.

It feels to me like both Spain and Italy are currently unable to compete due to both finances for high profile transfers and the clubs scouting, analytics departments falling way behind other leagues.

France dwarfs other countries for talents, Germany seems progressive in coaching and scouting young talents from Japan, USA even poaching English youngsters and their usual feeder leagues. England has the finances.

But Spain they are picking up likes of 36 year old Cavani's and 34 year old Lewas instead of 18 year old gems with massive resale value.

There are quick and immediate fixes though that La Liga can do without money. Quit allowing the game to be disrupted so much, to make it more enticing for the neutrals. Get the leagues president off Twitter publicly disputing the registration of an 18 year old player. The man has a lot to say about how other leagues operate but does little in the way of personal reflection. He devalues the product.

No other league would have a public showcase on how half of them are struggling to register players before the leagues opener. For the sake of Spanish footballs popularity for future generations, he needs to go.

Agreed on all accounts. Lack of funds as killed the supply routes that historically moved to LaLiga.

BTW, have you looked at the LaLiga top scorers charts lately? Just checked the Top10 and it is absolutely grim. Mostly 30+ has beens and never was players. Meanwhile Tebas looks at it and smiles at it being a mostly debt free top 10.

If that's not a sign of the rapid decline of the league then I don't know what is. Don't even need to compare with Prem, but even Ligue1 and Serie A has world class potential players in their 10.

 

[Messi983]

Good coach, great man.

https://www.football-espana.net/202...ional-speech-on-player-absence-for-childbirth

 

[stb_1]

I used to admire this league for beautiful, technically skilled football.

Now it's just play acting and time wasting, and parking the bus.

 

[KingLeo10]

I used to admire this league for beautiful, technically skilled football.

Now it's just play acting and time wasting, and parking the bus.

Listen, we get it.

You're an EPL stan. Do you literally have to make the same post in every thread simping for Pool/United/Chelsea/City/Arsenal/EPL. Grow some brain cells

 

[Porque]

I used to admire this league for beautiful, technically skilled football.

Now it's just play acting and time wasting, and parking the bus.

Like Peter Crouch said, take the money away and he would be a virgin.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Listen, we get it.

You're an EPL stan. Do you literally have to make the same post in every thread simping for Pool/United/Chelsea/City/Arsenal/EPL. Grow some brain cells

EPL isn't even that strong comparatively to leagues of the past (Prime LaLiga 2010s for example), LaLiga is just becoming that weak..

It is falling behind other leagues like Calcio and even Buli as well and honestly won't be surprised if it ends up being on par with Ligue 1 in a few years or so. Indeed only thing stopping it from getting there is fact that it has two good teams instead of one.

 

[KingLeo10]

EPL isn't even that strong comparatively to leagues of the past (Prime LaLiga 2010s for example), LaLiga is just becoming that weak..

It is falling behind other leagues like Calcio and even Buli as well and honestly won't be surprised if it ends up being on par with Ligue 1 in a few years or so. Indeed only thing stopping it from getting there is fact that it has two good teams instead of one.

Everyone (I hope) acknowledges that LL is far off what it used to be. I just don't see the point in this being lamented over and over, given that most of the teams in the league fully back Tebas' restrictive policies.

Wouldn't be the first time we've seen a fall from grace. Serie A's already happened. LL is happening. EPL's will happen. Things have always been a bit cyclical in football

 

[stb_1]

Listen, we get it.

You're an EPL stan. Do you literally have to make the same post in every thread simping for Pool/United/Chelsea/City/Arsenal/EPL. Grow some brain cells

I used to be a Liga stan until it fell in the mud.