Lautaro Martinez

[vuji_31]

Thats us up to coach. Pep would made some magic I am sure. Setien not really.

Well Messi is our best player and he plays in midfield , so I would go with formation that opens space in midfield .

So something like 433 with false nine.
But concidering we don't have wingers...

3-4-3

...........MaTS....................
....Lenglet...Busqets....Pique.....
Semedo....De Jong...Rakitic...Alba.
..............Messi................
.......Suarez.........Griezmann....

Semedo and Alba can give width of the team.
De Jong and Rakitic are quite defensive.
Busqets on CB because we only have 3 CB.
Messi got his position, also Griezmann who is great as second striker.

In defence Griezmann takes Messi position.

We would be much better at dealing with pressing.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Yeah Semedo is not a world beater but I feel the world doesn't have too many good RBs in general. Who could replace him?

Bellerin as always, loool.

Hakimi might be the best bet, but only other clubs than ours can get him.

 

[mc_lovin]

Realistically it will be Lautaro-Messi-Griezmann and I just can't see how it will fix our current problems regarding our structure on the pitch with Suarez in there. Three players who are all ball to feet players who like to play around the box, who all aren't good wide, lack of pace, no runs in behind (maybe a few from Lautaro), probably not the best in transitions either. What will we do when teams close the middle and who will track back to help our fullbacks who probably is going to be a 18 year old kid?

Whats the alternative? Buying a left winger? We always bitch about not trusting La Masia and have an actual decent talent coming up there (+Dembele, +Griezmann, whos not going anywhere and will be played there unless we find a solution). The way I see it getting a CF is inevitable now or in the near future (Suarez is 34 at the start of next season!). So we can just go through with it and get Lautaro now.

In case we would go for a LW first: then what? Play LW-Griezmann-Messi? That setup has a ton of issues as well. As for runs behind: Griezmann and Lautaro are hard workers, and I always thougt those are Griezmanns biggest strengths (what else?). Regarding speed: nice to have, but I would rather have a homogeneous attack. It makes no sense to have Messi and Griezmann barely keeping up. Lautaro is reasonably fast by the way.

Another point: we have dominant midfielders, so having Lautaro and Griezmann instead of wingers is not that big of an issue. We will play a rather slow game as long as Messi is here anyway. Intensity in the final 3rd is more important than speed for us.

 

[Riordon]

Whats the alternative? Buying a left winger? We always bitch about not trusting La Masia and have an actual decent talent coming up there (+Dembele, +Griezmann, whos not going anywhere and will be played there unless we find a solution). The way I see it getting a CF is inevitable now or in the near future (Suarez is 34 at the start of next season!). So we can just go through with it and get Lautaro now.

In case we would have gone for a LW first: then what? Play LW-Griezmann-Messi? That setup has a ton of issues as well. As for runs behind: Griezmann and Lautaro are hard workers, and I always thougt those are Griezmanns biggest strengths (what else?). Regarding speed: nice to have, but I would rather have a homogeneous attack. It makes no sense to have Messi and Griezmann barely keeping up. Lautaro is reasonably fast by the way.

Another point: we have dominant midfielders, so having Lautaro and Griezmann instead of wingers is not that big of an issue. We will play a rather slow game as long as Messi is here anyway. Intensity in the final 3rd is more important than speed for us.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion but i dont agree. I can easily imagine how a CL 1/8-final with a Lautaro-Griezmann-Messi attack will look like. Team will close the middle and the game will look like all the other away games in recent years.

Sane-Griezmann-Messi looks so much better and much more balanced. We can always get Lautaro later. Its not like there is a ton of clubs willing to pay his 111m clause.

 

[mc_lovin]

Fair enough. I respect your opinion but i dont agree. I can easily imagine how a CL 1/8-final with a Lautaro-Griezmann-Messi attack will look like. Team will close the middle and the game will look like all the other away games in recent years.

Sane-Griezmann-Messi looks so much better and much more balanced. We can always get Lautaro later. Its not like there is a ton of clubs willing to pay his 111m clause.

Matter of preference I guess. But Sane is unrealistic (Bayern worked on that transfer for ages). Who else?

 

[BarçaBarça]

Whats the alternative? Buying a left winger? We always bitch about not trusting La Masia and have an actual decent talent coming up there (+Dembele, +Griezmann, whos not going anywhere and will be played there unless we find a solution). The way I see it getting a CF is inevitable now or in the near future (Suarez is 34 at the start of next season!). So we can just go through with it and get Lautaro now.

In case we would go for a LW first: then what? Play LW-Griezmann-Messi? That setup has a ton of issues as well. As for runs behind: Griezmann and Lautaro are hard workers, and I always thougt those are Griezmanns biggest strengths (what else?). Regarding speed: nice to have, but I would rather have a homogeneous attack. It makes no sense to have Messi and Griezmann barely keeping up. Lautaro is reasonably fast by the way.

Another point: we have dominant midfielders, so having Lautaro and Griezmann instead of wingers is not that big of an issue. We will play a rather slow game as long as Messi is here anyway. Intensity in the final 3rd is more important than speed for us.

You make some good points. The reason many is dissatisfied though, is because there is no plan. It's just - lets get better than last season.
How about planning some seasons ahead? Our attack has many problems, but so does our defence. And a few new names hardly change that - we need to phase out club de amigos with Alba, Busquets, Suarez, Pique and eventually Messi. We should plan how to do that first, then go to the transfermarket second.

At the beginning of this season I hoped for Dembele-Griezmann-Messi attack, so we at least have some pace. I would rather play Fati or Trincao as LW next season with Griezmann, Messi and Dembele when fit than buy Lautaro this summer. Next summer H?land cost 75M?. That's planning just a little bit ahead.

I would love for our attack to work with Griezmann-Lautaro and Messi behind, but here is as much chance he is another Jovic, who knows? And most in here are tired of betting 100M on something that only might work. If Emerson is as good as you hope, then there is hope for such a thing to work, but with Pique, Alba and Busquets complacent in the starting-11 always, we miss too much tenaciousness as you say yourself. Busquets on the bench, Suarez sold and new CB-buy (or give Todibo real playing-time) to actually compete with Pique and you would see a lot more optimism in here I'm sure.

Last summer we went full retard to get De Ligt together with De Jong, now that looks like not the best signing for Juve, so we need to be more calm and buy more patiently and less desperately as now. Todibo for example looks fine now, and he just popped up out of nowhere for free. So if we are able to plan ahead and don't get desperate we could run transfer-business much smarter.

 

[Riordon]

Is the 75 mil for Haaland 2021 just a rumour or actually confirmed by agent? If its true, then we would be stupid to pay big money for Lautaro this season.

 

[DonAK]

Is the 75 mil for Haaland 2021 just a rumour or actually confirmed by agent? If its true, then we would be stupid to pay big money for Lautaro this season.

Only active from 2022.

https://sportbild.bild.de/bundeslig...-vertrag-ausstiegsklausel-67149200.sport.html

Dortmund will probably cash in on him for 100m+ next summer.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Is the 75 mil for Haaland 2021 just a rumour or actually confirmed by agent? If its true, then we would be stupid to pay big money for Lautaro this season.

It was reported soon after signing in sportBILD, with the details that Raiola and his father wanted 50M € at first.
It's in no way official, although pretty much all media take it as a fact.

 

[Riordon]

Matter of preference I guess. But Sane is unrealistic (Bayern worked on that transfer for ages). Who else?

Bayern seems to keep lowballing and City is getting frustrated. We could try to turn things around but it is indeed probably too late.

Besides Sane, not many players can fill that role I want which is basically a winger who is a creator + outlet. Mane, Sane, Gnabry. To some extend Rashford and Sancho.

I would still want us to move seriously for Sane. If we can't get him, then I just prefer to play the Griezmann-Suarez-Messi attack and wait a year to sign a forward. Its not like Griezmann-Suarez-Messi is much worse than Griezmann-Lautaro-Messi IMO

 

[Batistuta9]

Bayern seems to keep lowballing and City is getting frustrated. We could try to turn things around but it is indeed probably too late.

Besides Sane, not many players can fill that role I want which is basically a winger who is a creator + outlet. Mane, Sane, Gnabry. To some extend Rashford and Sancho.

I would still want us to move seriously for Sane. If we can't get him, then I just prefer to play the Griezmann-Suarez-Messi attack and wait a year to sign a forward. Its not like Griezmann-Suarez-Messi is much worse than Griezmann-Lautaro-Messi IMO

Bayern value sane around 30m-40m due to the coronavirus. I can't see city accepting an offer that low even if his contract runs out next year. Unfortunately we have had zero links with sane, otherwise we could have offered a swap with dembele. Him and Mendy should get on well together lol. Sane-lautaro-messi would be nice

 

[Respekt_III]

I know barto is a clueless fucking moron but didn't realise half the fucking forum still havent learnt that over paying 100m+ for every overhyped player isn't a reasonable strategy especially when we have the potential to sign other targets who are as good if not better (Werner) for substantially cheaper.

 

[LABarcaFan]

Fair enough. I respect your opinion but i dont agree. I can easily imagine how a CL 1/8-final with a Lautaro-Griezmann-Messi attack will look like. Team will close the middle and the game will look like all the other away games in recent years.

Sane-Griezmann-Messi looks so much better and much more balanced. We can always get Lautaro later. Its not like there is a ton of clubs willing to pay his 111m clause.

As a matter of fact,only Manch. Utd. has announced that they are ready to pay 111 m. release clause of Lautaro. No other team has expressed any interest in him.

Whats the alternative? Buying a left winger? We always bitch about not trusting La Masia and have an actual decent talent coming up there (+Dembele, +Griezmann, whos not going anywhere and will be played there unless we find a solution). The way I see it getting a CF is inevitable now or in the near future (Suarez is 34 at the start of next season!). So we can just go through with it and get Lautaro now.

In case we would go for a LW first: then what? Play LW-Griezmann-Messi? That setup has a ton of issues as well. As for runs behind: Griezmann and Lautaro are hard workers, and I always thougt those are Griezmanns biggest strengths (what else?). Regarding speed: nice to have, but I would rather have a homogeneous attack. It makes no sense to have Messi and Griezmann barely keeping up. Lautaro is reasonably fast by the way.

Another point: we have dominant midfielders, so having Lautaro and Griezmann instead of wingers is not that big of an issue. We will play a rather slow game as long as Messi is here anyway. Intensity in the final 3rd is more important than speed for us.

Buying a CF at this moment make no sense at all because we have a lot bigger problems at the back court. As of your favorite Lautaro, we can buy him in a year or two. He is still very young. Seems like you are intentionally ignoring two very important facts.

First:
Messi should not be mentioned as a RW any longer because he plays as a CAM and that leaves our right flank empty. That is the reason Barcelona bought Trincao. He will be our starter at RW with Griezmann playing at the LW.

Second:
Suarez started full training session with the club and I am 100% sure he will start as a CF every single game. So our front line will looks like Trincao - Suarez - Griezmann with Braitwaith and Fati backing them up. Eventually, when Dembele is able to play, he will be in the rotation as well. So we don't need to add any other attacking player this summer. Lets wait 12 months and next year with new board and president we can have a lot better choices than now.

 

[Riordon]

I dont believe the United rumours actually. I think its his agent that is using United's name like almost every agent do these days.

With Lautaro the damage has already happened, its not like he is at a smal club and we must act quickly before other teams act or the price rise. We already knows his price and its high.

 

[mc_lovin]

I know barto is a clueless fucking moron but didn't realise half the fucking forum still havent learnt that over paying 100m+ for every overhyped player isn't a reasonable strategy especially when we have the potential to sign other targets who are as good if not better (Werner) for substantially cheaper.

You just disagree. No need to be a douchebag.

First:
Messi should not be mentioned as a RW any longer because he plays as a CAM and that leaves our right flank empty. That is the reason Barcelona bought Trincao. He will be our starter at RW with Griezmann playing at the LW.

Second:
Suarez started full training session with the club and I am 100% sure he will start as a CF every single game. So our front line will looks like Trincao - Suarez - Griezmann with Braitwaith and Fati backing them up. Eventually, when Dembele is able to play, he will be in the rotation as well. So we don't need to add any other attacking player this summer. Lets wait 12 months and next year with new board and president we can have a lot better choices than now.

You have no clue, sorry - I really dont give a damn about your opinion. FACTS. Riordon has good points at least even if I disagree.