Lautaro Martinez

[Messi983]

If you get a better board, better technical staff, better manager, you will improve the transfers success rate, simply because you know what you are looking for. Right now they don't have a clue what is needed, so they sign big name players and try to jam them into our system.

Everything is relative to the management, because these are the guys spending all the money. If the new board is good, transfer will start to make more sense because they fit our needs, and that success rate may even double to 2/3 players who confirm, instead of 1/3 which is your suggested rate.

Let's look at transfers from our most successful era.

2008:
- Alves: great
- Hleb: lol
- Caceres: lol
- Keita: good
- Henrique: lol
- Pique: great
- Pinto: ok (cheap backup GK for a few years)


2009/10:
- Ibra: fail (for other reasons than lack of quality; we can say the same for our recent 100m flops)
- Chygrinskiy: lol
- Keirrison: lol
- Maxwell: ok


2010/11:
- Villa: good
- Masche: great
- Adriano: ok
- Afellay: don't consider him a flop because he was cheap but didn't give us much because of injuries


2011/12:
- Cesc: ok
- Alexis: ok


Out of 17 signings only 3 have turned out to be longterm great starters. Villa had a good first season then broke his leg and never returned to his old level. Cesc and Alexis were ok but lacked something to stay for a longer time. Keita, Adriano and Maxwell were solid squad players. So let's say 9 out of 17 players were somewhat successful if we're generous. Still away from your suggested/wished 66% success rate.

A pretty important question here is how would you grade success rate of the transfers? Do we need to get a longterm worldclass players like Alves or Pique to find a transfer successful? Or is it enough for a player to be a starter for a few seasons (Cesc and Alexis) and then recuperate most money when he's sold. Or would we give a signing a good grade if he would become just a squad player for a solid price? People have different level of expectations so they would grade some of those transfers different.

Personally I would consider any player who wouldn't be like 150-200% overpaid and help us for a few seasons as a good buy but in our current situation we'll need to hit on potential longterm starters over the next few years so only hitting on Keitas and Adrianos won't be enough. Neither will be signing next Cescs and Alexises for similar money we've bought them including almost a 200% inflation on a current market (nobody would be happy if we'd buy players like them for 80m today).

So if people believe only changing the board will suddenly double up our success in transfers they are in for a rude awakening over the next few years. What could play in new signings's favor after our old core will be gone is we'll need to find starters at several positions so even if those new players won't be good enough from the moment they'll be brought to the club they'll still be given a chance to show what they can do for a season or two because we won't have a lot of other options. Our success ratio of getting more starters or at least squad players could so really go up and some people could praise the new board for that but how many of those players will truly be the ones we could build around a team longterm is still very questionable.

Anyway, we should use an "open competition" to try and attract good younger players who for now probably still don't want to come here because they know they have Messi, Suarez, Pique, Alba,.. in front of them eventhough most of them are declining. But when they are all gone it should be easier to attract players at their positions.

On a flip side being choosed as a potential replacement for a longterm star(ter) of the team could also cause too high expectations for many players. Like it or not people will always compare new players to former legends playing at their position even if that's unfair to young players (putting additional pressure on them) and disrespectful to the legends when young unproven kids are called as the next Messi or Xavi. It's wrong but it's just a social media world we live in and nothing will change anytime soon.

 

[BBZ8800]

Messi983, people are living in some weird dreamland.

I won't do it again, but I have literally posted a few times EVERY SINGLE TRANSFER from 2000 and every single hyped La Masia kid.
This is why I said that over 20 years:
Only around 33% of transfers will turn out as = players who are longterm starters
2 out of 3 transfers will either be horrible fails or totally meh.

About the best La Masia kids, less than 10% of them will turn even into a squad level for Barcelona.

So, regarding transfers, of course that a better sporting director will improve our success rate.
But still, for Barca and Real, requirements are so high that 99% of top players will never be good enough for our level.

And from players who are good enough for us, you again have factors like:
1. injuries
2. low IQ
3. poor professionalism
4. random family or personal problems
5. being homesick
6. being a bad fit for our system
7. inability to cope with a pressure at Barca

And then, year after year, people are doing the same mistake.
We buy some guy named Trincao, who is on a level of Todibo more or less, and people have too high hopes of him.
Fati, who can't control the ball in 4 out of 5 situations is the future Barca's attacking leader, lol.

I know, people are sad, desperate, they need hope for the future.
But I have a feeling that we will have the same discussion even in 2050.
Every single La Masia kid will be a huge hop.
Every 22 years old players will be a possible starter for the next 10 years.
And every player who sucks currently in some areas (Arthur's passing, Lautaro's finishing) will get excuses:
He is young. He has potential.
With a right coach and a functional system, they will be awesome

About transfers, let's take a short history since 2000:
Gaspart 2000-2003: horrible.
Success rate was probably around 20%
Rijkaard: good transfers in 2003, 2004 and 2005.
After that, we made mostly meh transfers and ruined a winning team: Gudjohnsen, Zambrotta, Thuram, Milito
Pep: he was good with La Masia core. But majority of his transfers were quite bad.
After Pep, a good old Barca: tons of horrible transfers: Song, Gomes, Denis, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Arda, Paulinho, Malcom etc.

So, when guys talk about a good board, a good sporting director, a good sporting project: has that EVER actually happened at Barca?
The only good things in the last 20 years were:
1. Rijkaard/Laporta/Beguiristain and signings of Ronaldinho, Etoo, Deco and co
2. being lucky with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busi

Basically, that's it.
In the last 20 years, we had 3-4 years of good transfers and 16 years of a good, old Barca.
So, I have no idea where are these dreams of a successful sporting project coming from.

After Messi, it is more likely that we will be similar to this, Gaspart's team with Riquelme, Bonano, Christanval, Fabio Rochemback, Gabri and similar (those are current Todibos, Alena, Puigs, Malcoms, Dembeles and similar):

 

[Messigician]

Messi983, people are living in some weird dreamland.

I won't do it again, but I have literally posted a few times EVERY SINGLE TRANSFER from 2000 and every single hyped La Masia kid.
This is why I said that over 20 years:
Only around 33% of transfers will turn out as = players who are longterm starters
2 out of 3 transfers will either be horrible fails or totally meh.

About the best La Masia kids, less than 10% of them will turn even into a squad level for Barcelona.

So, regarding transfers, of course that a better sporting director will improve our success rate.
But still, for Barca and Real, requirements are so high that 99% of top players will never be good enough for our level.

And from players who are good enough for us, you again have factors like:
1. injuries
2. low IQ
3. poor professionalism
4. random family or personal problems
5. being homesick
6. being a bad fit for our system
7. inability to cope with a pressure at Barca

And then, year after year, people are doing the same mistake.
We buy some guy named Trincao, who is on a level of Todibo more or less, and people have too high hopes of him.
Fati, who can't control the ball in 4 out of 5 situations is the future Barca's attacking leader, lol.

I know, people are sad, desperate, they need hope for the future.
But I have a feeling that we will have the same discussion even in 2050.
Every single La Masia kid will be a huge hop.
Every 22 years old players will be a possible starter for the next 10 years.
And every player who sucks currently in some areas (Arthur's passing, Lautaro's finishing) will get excuses:
He is young. He has potential.
With a right coach and a functional system, they will be awesome

About transfers, let's take a short history since 2000:
Gaspart 2000-2003: horrible.
Success rate was probably around 20%
Rijkaard: good transfers in 2003, 2004 and 2005.
After that, we made mostly meh transfers and ruined a winning team: Gudjohnsen, Zambrotta, Thuram, Milito
Pep: he was good with La Masia core. But majority of his transfers were quite bad.
After Pep, a good old Barca: tons of horrible transfers: Song, Gomes, Denis, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Arda, Paulinho, Malcom etc.

So, when guys talk about a good board, a good sporting director, a good sporting project: has that EVER actually happened at Barca?
The only good things in the last 20 years were:
1. Rijkaard/Laporta/Beguiristain and signings of Ronaldinho, Etoo, Deco and co
2. being lucky with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busi

Basically, that's it.
In the last 20 years, we had 3-4 years of good transfers and 16 years of a good, old Barca.
So, I have no idea where are these dreams of a successful sporting project coming from.

After Messi, it is more likely that we will be similar to this, Gaspart's team with Riquelme, Bonano, Christanval, Fabio Rochemback, Gabri and similar (those are current Todibos, Alena, Puigs, Malcoms, Dembeles and similar):

No we will be worse, Fati Martinez Trincao is the front 3 of nightmares.

 

[Messi983]

Yeah, we need to get our saviour Neyboy back.

 

[Messigician]

Yeah, we need to get our saviour Neyboy back.

At least Neymar has good moments.

Dembele and Coutinho are just horrible

 

[Messi983]

Dembele also had his moments when he was healthy.

 

[mc_lovin]

Messi983, people are living in some weird dreamland.

I won't do it again, but I have literally posted a few times EVERY SINGLE TRANSFER from 2000 and every single hyped La Masia kid.
This is why I said that over 20 years:
Only around 33% of transfers will turn out as = players who are longterm starters
2 out of 3 transfers will either be horrible fails or totally meh.

About the best La Masia kids, less than 10% of them will turn even into a squad level for Barcelona.

So, regarding transfers, of course that a better sporting director will improve our success rate.
But still, for Barca and Real, requirements are so high that 99% of top players will never be good enough for our level.

And from players who are good enough for us, you again have factors like:
1. injuries
2. low IQ
3. poor professionalism
4. random family or personal problems
5. being homesick
6. being a bad fit for our system
7. inability to cope with a pressure at Barca

And then, year after year, people are doing the same mistake.
We buy some guy named Trincao, who is on a level of Todibo more or less, and people have too high hopes of him.
Fati, who can't control the ball in 4 out of 5 situations is the future Barca's attacking leader, lol.

I know, people are sad, desperate, they need hope for the future.
But I have a feeling that we will have the same discussion even in 2050.
Every single La Masia kid will be a huge hop.
Every 22 years old players will be a possible starter for the next 10 years.
And every player who sucks currently in some areas (Arthur's passing, Lautaro's finishing) will get excuses:
He is young. He has potential.
With a right coach and a functional system, they will be awesome

About transfers, let's take a short history since 2000:
Gaspart 2000-2003: horrible.
Success rate was probably around 20%
Rijkaard: good transfers in 2003, 2004 and 2005.
After that, we made mostly meh transfers and ruined a winning team: Gudjohnsen, Zambrotta, Thuram, Milito
Pep: he was good with La Masia core. But majority of his transfers were quite bad.
After Pep, a good old Barca: tons of horrible transfers: Song, Gomes, Denis, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Arda, Paulinho, Malcom etc.

So, when guys talk about a good board, a good sporting director, a good sporting project: has that EVER actually happened at Barca?
The only good things in the last 20 years were:
1. Rijkaard/Laporta/Beguiristain and signings of Ronaldinho, Etoo, Deco and co
2. being lucky with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busi

Basically, that's it.
In the last 20 years, we had 3-4 years of good transfers and 16 years of a good, old Barca.
So, I have no idea where are these dreams of a successful sporting project coming from.

After Messi, it is more likely that we will be similar to this, Gaspart's team with Riquelme, Bonano, Christanval, Fabio Rochemback, Gabri and similar (those are current Todibos, Alena, Puigs, Malcoms, Dembeles and similar):

I think the actual point people made is that guys like Trincao, Fati could work out, not that they 100% will ;D You are a doom and gloom type of guy, and thats fine. But noone can predict how we will look in 5, 3 or even 2 years. And I think you would have a hard time to find someone saying we will 100% play Trincao-Lautaro-Fati in 2022. Maybe our board envisions that right now, but as soon as one of them shows weakness we will buy another 100ME+ player (especially if Messi is gone). If thats a Ronaldinho or a Coutinho will decide our fate then. Maybe we go the Milan route (or United to a lesser degree) or we keep a relatively high level. Who knows.

To Fati: I think everyone sees that Fati needs to step up physically for example, but his other package is the best we have had from La Masia in ages. We will see how things turn out on that front, I have no idea about physical growth of 17 years old top athletes ;-) Other than its not a given (see Denis, Puig..).

To Lautaro: Well, hes one of the two most exciting young strikers right now (I know you disagree and I wont argue opinion - like I dont see it with Haaland yet), and thats pretty much all we can do - target the best talent on the market. On this I heavily disagree with Serghei: system, coach and board are all positive influences, but its still a game of chance (heavily stacked against us).


Edit: What confused me was that you sounded like theres an alternative, more successful approach on the transfer market. Because if not all you wrote is in vain. Why even argue if its inevitable.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Messi983, people are living in some weird dreamland.

I won't do it again, but I have literally posted a few times EVERY SINGLE TRANSFER from 2000 and every single hyped La Masia kid.
This is why I said that over 20 years:
Only around 33% of transfers will turn out as = players who are longterm starters
2 out of 3 transfers will either be horrible fails or totally meh.

About the best La Masia kids, less than 10% of them will turn even into a squad level for Barcelona.

So, regarding transfers, of course that a better sporting director will improve our success rate.
But still, for Barca and Real, requirements are so high that 99% of top players will never be good enough for our level.

And from players who are good enough for us, you again have factors like:
1. injuries
2. low IQ
3. poor professionalism
4. random family or personal problems
5. being homesick
6. being a bad fit for our system
7. inability to cope with a pressure at Barca

And then, year after year, people are doing the same mistake.
We buy some guy named Trincao, who is on a level of Todibo more or less, and people have too high hopes of him.
Fati, who can't control the ball in 4 out of 5 situations is the future Barca's attacking leader, lol.

I know, people are sad, desperate, they need hope for the future.
But I have a feeling that we will have the same discussion even in 2050.
Every single La Masia kid will be a huge hop.
Every 22 years old players will be a possible starter for the next 10 years.
And every player who sucks currently in some areas (Arthur's passing, Lautaro's finishing) will get excuses:
He is young. He has potential.
With a right coach and a functional system, they will be awesome

About transfers, let's take a short history since 2000:
Gaspart 2000-2003: horrible.
Success rate was probably around 20%
Rijkaard: good transfers in 2003, 2004 and 2005.
After that, we made mostly meh transfers and ruined a winning team: Gudjohnsen, Zambrotta, Thuram, Milito
Pep: he was good with La Masia core. But majority of his transfers were quite bad.
After Pep, a good old Barca: tons of horrible transfers: Song, Gomes, Denis, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Arda, Paulinho, Malcom etc.

So, when guys talk about a good board, a good sporting director, a good sporting project: has that EVER actually happened at Barca?
The only good things in the last 20 years were:
1. Rijkaard/Laporta/Beguiristain and signings of Ronaldinho, Etoo, Deco and co
2. being lucky with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busi

Basically, that's it.
In the last 20 years, we had 3-4 years of good transfers and 16 years of a good, old Barca.
So, I have no idea where are these dreams of a successful sporting project coming from.

After Messi, it is more likely that we will be similar to this, Gaspart's team with Riquelme, Bonano, Christanval, Fabio Rochemback, Gabri and similar (those are current Todibos, Alena, Puigs, Malcoms, Dembeles and similar):

33% seems high recently for us surely we’re due a good one. Just not for 111m.

 

[mc_lovin]

From our recent top transers (Frenkie, Dembele, Griezmann and Coutinho) its fair to say that only Frenkie looks like he will surely work out and Griezmann is on the edge --> roughly 33% xD Unless you want to inflate numbers BBZ style with signed squad players.

 

[Messi983]

33% seems high recently for us surely we?re due a good one. Just not for 111m.

Well, if you exclude 100m signings our transfers in last 4 years really were not that bad.

2016/17:
- Gomes: not a good fit but we got money back
- Paco: didn't get opportunity because of Suarez or mostly played out of position to prove he could be a good backup
- Umtiti: very good before injuries
- Digne: good backup
- Cillessen: good backup

2017/18:
- Paulinho: proved most doubters wrong
- Semedo: solid but not good enough to become unquestionable starter
- Deulofeu: don't know why we bought him back but at least didn't lose money with him
- Mina: didn't get much chances but from a financial standpoint a very good transfer

2018/19:
- Malcom: didn't play much but we got money back
- Lenglet: bought as a backup but did a solid job as a starter
- Arthur: not his biggest fan but overall still a good transfer
- Vidal: good signing even at his age

2019/20:
- FDJ: arguably our best signing since 2014 alongside Umtiti before he become injury prone
- Neto: he's a solid backup GK but more or less just bought to balance the books
- Braithwaite: emergency signing who is a good squad player
- Firpo: I know many people are disappointed with him but I like him and think we should give him another season with not much better realistically available options.
- Emerson: can't judge him yet but seems to develop well at Betis


As I've said above it really depends on what expectations people have for players when they're signed.

There is one big difference compared to that 2008-12 window posted above: we didn't find our Pique, Alves or even Masche in those transfers. Maybe FDJ could become that. I'm not talking about a transfer fee or positions but the players longterm role in the team.

Of course another thing to consider is that in 2008 we had a golden generation of La Masia upcoming. Xaviesta entering their prime years and a young Messi. They were so good (and cheap) we could get away with some poor transfers at that time. We don't have the same luxury now.

Most of the other players were bought as squad players and they mostly did their job so it's unfair to blame them for not becoming/doing something they were not supposed to do. Sure, maybe we hoped one or two of Gomes/Paco/Digne/Malcom like transfers could potentially turn into replacement for our aging players but they were maybe also bought at the wrong time. I think people would take a 22 yo Paco for 30m now (yeah, in current market his price would be closer to 50m) instead of spending 100m on Lautaro. I would say 22 yo Digne would also challenge 4 years older Alba better for his minutes than he did (he still wouldn't become a starter even if he would overperform him though because of Alba's status in the team). But even if those players didn't have as much impact on the field as we'd like to see at least we didn't have a big financial loss with them. And once the players are gone from the club and we can fully evaluate their total impact financial standpoint is also important for me though most people only judge the players based on their performances.

I think from the players listed above only Semedo, Arthur and FDJ were bought with a clear intention to become longterm starters. FDJ has established himself in the lineup while people have more divided opinions about the other two. But even if we say we're 1/3 with those players we're still good there in line with our history success rate.

So in an alternate world where we wouldn't spend 350-400m on Cou, Dembele and Griezmann and instead use that money for 7-8 cheaper (30-50m valued players) we'd have bigger chances to get one or two more starters and re-sell other "flops" with not too much loss to re-invest into other 7-8 players over the next few years in hope to get another longterm starter or two. I don't think our team would be worse than it is today (with odds of being significantly better) and our finances would also look better. But of course hindsight is 20/20 and at the time we bought Cou, Dembele and Griezmann all seemed like reasonable signings. Overpriced yes but still players who could have positive overall impact on the club. Those signings obviously turned out bad for different reasons (though the jury is still out on Griezmann imo) and if we'd learned something from our past (which we never do) we wouldn't repeat the same mistake again.

At this point I just don't see any good reason to spend crazy money on Lautaro (besides the fact we need to replace Suarez because I don't think he'll score enough to do that). He would be irresponsible signing even under normal circumstances but even moreso in this post-corona market (when his price won't actually drop for 20-30% like it will for most other players, at least those we'll want to sell, lol) with the club losing 100m of revenues. But he's inevitably coming so we can only hope for the best.

 

[mc_lovin]

^
You forgot Todibo, who will make us a 20ME profit as well. I agree that not all was bad, but those 100ME+ transfers turned out ugly. And I absolutely agree that we shouldnt pay 111ME for Lautaro, but if Inter is willing to negotiate and include players hes the most attainable top target in a position of need.

 

[BBZ8800]

I think the actual point people made is that guys like Trincao, Fati could work out, not that they 100% will ;D You are a doom and gloom type of guy, and thats fine. But noone can predict how we will look in 5, 3 or even 2 years.

For you it is doom and gloom, for me it is being realistic.

If for example, London has 200 rainy days per year (or whatever the number is) and if that happened 19 times in the last 20 years, then you can't open a business in London which relies on sunny days and where you need 300 sunny days per year to earn money.

I would tell you then: well, based on experience and stats, chances are 5% that you will have less than 200 rainy days.
You would reply: NO ONE CAN PREDICT what will happen.

This is how I see your posts.
Well, of course that NO ONE can predict with certainty what will happen with Lautaro, Fati or Trincao, but based on history and if you look at their skills in an objective and not dreamland way, then if 1 out of those 3 will be a starter and a good player in 4 years, that will be a success.

About Fati, in like 8 out of 10 games, he was a turnover machine, the worst player on a field.
He can score a wonder goal out of nowhere and then in the next 5 actions he has such a horrible first touch and passes that Rakitic looks like Messi compared to him.
On the other hand, I have never said that Puig sucks technically. A guy has awesome first touch and passes, but he lacks in physique.
On the other hand, Alena has lots of wtf turnover-machine moments and matches.
Fati is even a few levels above Alena, he is a turnover machine in almost every match.

On the other hand, what you brain (as a fan) needs curently?
1. you need hope for the future = check
2. you need younger players since we have too many grannies = check
3. we need La Masia players since we don't have any players left = check
4. we need some wingers = check
5. young Fati making it would be a wonderful story = check

So, as always, you are tricked by your brain, desires, hope and hype.
In reality, there is a reason why less than 10% of players like Fati turn into Barca's level.

About 33%, for me: successful signing is a player who is a starter or at least the 12th or 13th player.
Let's say something like Keita in the past. Or Roberto/Semedo where both are starters or the 12th player.
And if a player stayed in a team for a few years, because it means that we needed him.

Starter:
Alba
Neymar
Suarez
Rakitic
Mats
Bravo
Umtiti
Lenglet
Frenkie

Some sort of 12th-13th player:
Mathieu
Paulinho
Semedo
Vidal
Arthur
Griezmann

Fail:
Alex Song
Vermaelen
Douglas
Denis
Arda
Aleix Vidal
Halilovic (new Messi)
Andre Gomes
Paco
Digne
Coutinho
Dembele
Mina
Marlon
Malcom
Murillo
Prinze
Todibo
Firpo

9, 6, 19
= 34 signings
= 9 of them turned into starters. Even there Bravo left after 2 years. Umtiti got forever injured after 2 years. Lenglet is a starter but kinda meh.
From 12th player: Mathieu left soon. Paulinho the same. Digne the same. Semedo&Arthur are on the verge of leaving.
That is 34 signings.
Can you name 11-12 successful signings here which would be 33%?

And now, if we will buy 10 new players in the next 2 years, how on Earth can you expect more than 2-3 successful signings?
I mean, yes, you can always reply: NO ONE can predict the future.
True.
But the most likely, based on history, stats, common sense and how hard it is fit into Barca's system (and how hard is to have all required technical, physical and mental skills), that on each 10 signings, we will get 2-3 or max 4 good players.

Then go back to my first claim: we will soon need 2 wingers, 2 full backs and at least 2 midfielders.
That's 6 starters.
What is the most likely scenario:
1. that we will find 6 starters from 6 transfers?
2. from 12 transfers?
3. from 18 transfers?
4. from 20 or more transfers?

Of course, the most likely answer is: no3 and no4.

And then, you know all of this. And then you have a player like Lautaro who can't score.
Even if he was a perfect player on paper, he would have like 33% chances to succeed.
And now, if he can't score, if he has a physique like slightly improved Coutinho, if he can't pass and similar, are you that surprised that majority think that he will fail?
I know, I know. NO ONE can predict it, lol.

You can't be businessman with your risk assessment.
You would just go around, splashing money on projects without too many chances for a success and you would reply: but NO ONE can predict the future.
Again, if I will be selling some shaddy shit or stocks on internet, you will be the first one whom I will call: Mc Lovin, I have a perfect opportunity for you, mate

You are so romantic about players and their chances that Delboy Trotter would earn millions on you:

 

[mc_lovin]

I have no idea where to start

I DONT expect Fati, Trincao and the likes to be first 11 material at all. Read my fuckign post, its infuriating. I just said that right NOW - with Suarez, Griezmann and Messi - its a reasonable approach to try out promising players like Fati and buy fairly decent talents like Trincao for small cash and hope for the best. Theres NO fucking alternative. When Messi, Griezmann and Suarez are gone we will further analyze our situation - and act accordingly (or not, who knows).

Fcuk me.


Sorry for using curse words.

 

[Andresito]

Fail:
Alex Song
Vermaelen
Douglas
Denis
Arda
Aleix Vidal
Halilovic (new Messi)
Andre Gomes
Paco
Digne
Coutinho
Dembele
Mina
Marlon
Malcom
Murillo
Prinze
Todibo
Firpo
[/IMG]

Didn't read your whole post.
But do you consider players that earn us a profit to be fails as well? Denis, Digne, Mina, Marlon, Todibo.
Douglas shouldn't even be considered as he was a money laundering operation.
Murillo and Prince were a last resort reserve plan in case we wouldn't have any other available players. Shouldn't be evaluated for more than this.
Firpo has played half a season, it's too early to tell really.

Narrows down the list.

 

[Messi983]

^
You forgot Todibo, who will make us a 20ME profit as well. I agree that not all was bad, but those 100ME+ transfers turned out ugly. And I absolutely agree that we shouldnt pay 111ME for Lautaro, but if Inter is willing to negotiate and include players hes the most attainable top target in a position of need.

Yeah, I've overlooked Todibo.