It is annoying though, all the hate and claims against Messi just because mostly two massively egotistical people on this forum love swinging their dicks and probably read their own posts to get hard want something to hate. All whilst results wise we?ve got 3 decent results. First two games we played very well as a team, Messi included.
Lionel Messi - v7
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bismp
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Forum de Amigos turning against the GOAT after the first meh result of the season.Predictable.
As if it’s Leo’s responsibility that Griezmann keeps starting at RW and consequently we play without a right flank.
As if it’s Leo’s fault that Busi keeps starting and that FDJ sucked yesterday.
As if it was Leo’s decision not to buy a proper striker this season.
It is clear as day that he has declined,it is clear as day that he creates tactical problems,but he is still easily our best player and he can easily produce a 35goals/20 assists season if he is healthy.
Wait until he leads the team to another La Liga title.
As if it’s Leo’s responsibility that Griezmann keeps starting at RW and consequently we play without a right flank.
As if it’s Leo’s fault that Busi keeps starting and that FDJ sucked yesterday.
As if it was Leo’s decision not to buy a proper striker this season.
It is clear as day that he has declined,it is clear as day that he creates tactical problems,but he is still easily our best player and he can easily produce a 35goals/20 assists season if he is healthy.
Wait until he leads the team to another La Liga title.
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serghei
Senior Member
Top performance vs Celta, noted and praised, especially for effort and leadership showed. Crap performance vs Sevilla, shouting at teammates, and a lot of careless walking, also pointed out and fairly criticized. Die hard Messi fans will have to learn to live with this.
bismp
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In fact,die hard Messi haters should learn to live with this actually.
He is 33 in a fairly dysfunctional team(although we’ll see if we can actually improve).He is in decline,he will have quite a few off nights during the season,unless the team actually starts playing well and help him hide his disadvantages.
People should not expect astonishing performances every week.Thus,they should show some RESPECT to the club’s greatest legend and refrain from coming to the thread and spit on the GOAT’s corpse after every bad performance.
serghei
Senior Member
And yet, we're seeing a lot of posts about his stats, how he is still the best, how he is right to disrespect managers, and things like that. You can't have it both ways, and monopolize the discussion only in a direction. The heavy criticism is to counter-balance all that rubbish.
This is sentimentalist bullshit. If you criticize what a player has become, it doesn't mean you don't respect what he did for the club in the past. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.
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bismp
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There are many ways to express criticism and simultaneously be respectful.People here are calling him names and believe every single rumor the corrupt media say.
I’ll say it again.
It’s not Leo’s fault that our back line is exactly the same as the last 2 years.
It’s not Leo’s fault that Busi keeps being a starter.
It is not Leo’s fault that every coach keeps starting Griezmann.
It’s not Leo’s fault we don’t have a proper striker.
It’s not Leo’s fault that up until recently we played games with corpses like Vidal,Rakitic and Suarez.
It is partly Leo’s fault that we keep getting humiliated in the CL because he is not a great leader.But it is not all his fault for getting humiliated 3-0,4-0,8-2.The whole team is imploding behind him and we act like our main problem is that Leo is not pressing.
It is not Leo’s fault that our finances are shit.
It is not Leo’s fault that the past 3 years(at least) his teammates were mediocre.
Who said disrespecting managers is a good thing? There?s stats and there?s stats. Trying to spin a 10 goals 10 assist season into being worthwhile for a top club might be a stretch. But 20 goals and 20+ assists for a forward even if mostly against the lower/middle teams in undeniably a beneficial thing for any team and only someone fuelled by hate/bias/having a big ego would argue against that.
The heavy criticism is unfounded and so black and white lacking any sort of nuance or grey area.
For example, Messi played quite well in the first two games, contributed to some of the goals scored, even pressed the opponent at various times. Had an overall bad game vs Sevilla but still was the big factor in our goal.
See how that there is not ?MESSI = GOAT AND CANT BE DROPPED? which you?re trying to say is what you?re arguing against. But it?s also not ?MESSI IS SHIT AND RUINS THE TEAM?
The heavy criticism is unfounded and so black and white lacking any sort of nuance or grey area.
For example, Messi played quite well in the first two games, contributed to some of the goals scored, even pressed the opponent at various times. Had an overall bad game vs Sevilla but still was the big factor in our goal.
See how that there is not ?MESSI = GOAT AND CANT BE DROPPED? which you?re trying to say is what you?re arguing against. But it?s also not ?MESSI IS SHIT AND RUINS THE TEAM?
serghei
Senior Member
In more than half of those Messi is part of the problem that made those things happen. Anyway, I personally both praise him and heavily criticize him. I criticize him more than I praise him because he does more bad things than good things for about 2 years.
Most of the die hard Messi fans around here don't do any criticizing AT ALL. Not only that, but they go to absurd lengths to defend him even in cases where he is near indefensible.
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serghei
Senior Member
And funny enough, I praised him for his first two games. Vs Sevilla, he was bad, and showed an attitude on the field that was the opposite of that vs Celta.
Yea, exactly. Who counts the negatives from allowing Messi to perform his famous free role at a time when this is no longer feasible? Nobody. There's such a thing as context when looking at Messi's function in the team. For him to obtain such numbers we give up many things in other areas. And when you draw the line, the team, with those tactics and Messi in a free role, was shit.
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Post Covid he was still our best player at the end of past season.
This season we are only 3 games in it, and we have bigger tactical problems than Messi but it is all too early tbh
serghei
Senior Member
Yes, he was the best player in a team whose main function was to make him be the most comfortable, thinking this is going to win us titles. Do you really think he has the productivity at the top to be worth that hassle and that sacrifice?
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Considering last year squad? Absolutely, you are fooling yourself thinking otherwise.
With or without him, our best chance was always capitalizing Messi.
Depends on what we want?
Do you want to start rebuild and just get a decent season while developing youngsters? Then he isn't
Do we want to fight for titles this year? Again, with current squad it is sadly of our best interest to cover for his ass.
Midfield will be overrun even if you replaced Messi with Lewa and brought 2011 midfield all over again. It won't change until we have quick outlets in attack that prevent teams from pressing us and out numbering our midfield, or getting quick players in defense to allow us to play highline ourselves and support midfield. Or both which what elite teams in past year like Bayern and Liverpool had.
This isn't 2017, the tactics are changing and the team itself is changing. The bad things that Messi brought on our head in past few years won't vanish by his removal, because it is no more exclusive to him.
This is a yesterday thinking, the whole "Messi is forcing midfield handicapped" thing isn't valid in this circumstances. Teams won't care if you can't punish them on counters and will press you to death.
Koeman subbing Coutinho for Pjanic is very telling: He wanted midfield battle to be won, only he didn't realize that the extra midfielder won't change it.
That is the sad reality of our team, we still thinks midfield win us games, but atm midfield are more reliant on the other lines, not vice versa
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Facts, forum de amigos love to act as an expert. Different games have different scenarios and possible results. Fact is, if Messi's teammates show up in just one or two games to save him instead of always expecting Messi to do everything forum de Amigos narrative will be different. They might even put Valverde as the GOAT manager 😆
The Irony, and yet forum de amigos has the rights to criticize the managers and called the retarded all they want. The same dude that claimed that Barca has a Top World Class team and the problem is the manager.😆
You the energy to make excuses for FDJ " The main reason why he's been disappointing is that the fitness level of the team in these 14 months since he signed has been usually way lower than his own." Ain't this applicable to Messi and all other amigos too, or you will blame Messi changed the fitness program of Barca for his so called amigos 😆
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te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
Mate literally all of your posts have "forum de amigos" in it, sometimes more than once. Living in your head rent free eh?
Vilarrubi
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Mate literally all of your posts have "forum de amigos" in it, sometimes more than once. Living in your head rent free eh?
good spot.Home of Barca Fans
