Lionel Messi - v7

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Do you guys think it could work ?

If you would have asked this question ten years ago, i would have said NOOOOOO. But now they are more mature and im sure this could work. Only pens/freekicks could be a problem but i would give pens to Ronaldo and free kicks to Messi - both should be happy with this decision :p
 

Ahmedd

New member
If you would have asked this question ten years ago, i would have said NOOOOOO. But now they are more mature and im sure this could work. Only pens/freekicks could be a problem but i would give pens to Ronaldo and free kicks to Messi - both should be happy with this decision :p

Exactly what I thought, It's a shame we didn't get to see them play together during an All Star game or something.
 

Ripsta

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His 50 goal league record is likely going this season. Lewandowski is on 35 with 9 1/2 games to go. The Bundesliga is fucking horrendous.
 

Mitchell1978

Senior Member
His 50 goal league record is likely going this season. Lewandowski is on 35 with 9 1/2 games to go. The Bundesliga is fucking horrendous.

8 games remaining not 9, plus 50 goals is not really the record for a league nor for a top 5 league if you go far back enough.

Lewandowski is going comfortably break M?ller's record though.
 

Ripsta

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8 games remaining not 9, plus 50 goals is not really the record for a league nor for a top 5 league if you go far back enough.

Lewandowski is going comfortably break M?ller's record though.

It is for the European Golden Shoe, and if you go further back you start getting into dodgy territory where fat blokes were scoring 50-60 goals a year, different ball games these days.

So he's got 8 games to score 16 goals. Might be just beyond him but he'll come close. It's amazing what he's been doing in the last couple seasons.
 

raskolnikov

Well-known member
It is for the European Golden Shoe, and if you go further back you start getting into dodgy territory where fat blokes were scoring 50-60 goals a year, different ball games these days.

So he's got 8 games to score 16 goals. Might be just beyond him but he'll come close. It's amazing what he's been doing in the last couple seasons.
It is but in a way it also shows how dominant these teams have gotten.
Bayern wins every match with huge numbers and he gets a lot of chances to score.

Its still amazing though given his consistency and age but the numbers are getting skewed to make strikers look much greater in this day and age than those of say 15-25 years ago.

It shows the evolution in nutrition and conditioning in sports but is also a testimony of the strongest clubs getting stacked and richer/stronger while the competition gets weaker.

Apart from epl due to the money and Barca and Madrid now having weak spells its a trajectory that eventually leads to a superleague. Its inevitable since they need it to compete with epl and the competitions will be done woth same winners every year crushing the competition with huge figures.

There will be more Lewa type stats from strikers in non epl leagues in the future.
Not to downplay the guy cause again he is great. But he isnt way better than R9, Henry, Batistuta or Eto'o for example.
Its more logical that the stats relate to the increasing dominance of top teams.
 

bismp

Well-known member
It is but in a way it also shows how dominant these teams have gotten.
Bayern wins every match with huge numbers and he gets a lot of chances to score.

Its still amazing though given his consistency and age but the numbers are getting skewed to make strikers look much greater in this day and age than those of say 15-25 years ago.

It shows the evolution in nutrition and conditioning in sports but is also a testimony of the strongest clubs getting stacked and richer/stronger while the competition gets weaker.

Apart from epl due to the money and Barca and Madrid now having weak spells its a trajectory that eventually leads to a superleague. Its inevitable since they need it to compete with epl and the competitions will be done woth same winners every year crushing the competition with huge figures.

There will be more Lewa type stats from strikers in non epl leagues in the future.
Not to downplay the guy cause again he is great. But he isnt way better than R9, Henry, Batistuta or Eto'o for example.
Its more logical that the stats relate to the increasing dominance of top teams.

I agree,but these points also applied to prime Messi and CR.Sure they were phenomenal,but back in the day great strikers used to get 20-30 goals a season,not 40+
 

Morten

Senior Member
The critique against Lewandowski very much applies to Messi and Ronaldo also, who played for absolutely stacked teams in La Liga, for a big portion of their careers.
 

SmilerBam

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The critique against Lewandowski very much applies to Messi and Ronaldo also, who played for absolutely stacked teams in La Liga, for a big portion of their careers.

Messi and Ronaldo are much more complete as players than Lewandoski.Also,when Messi and Ronaldo where in their pomp,football as a whole was better from an individual point of view.Now it's mostly kick and run and gengerpressing stupid shit(apart a few select teams ofc).
 

Xtroverto

Member
It's insane that CR is considered the most complete goalscorer. Leo has been perfect all-around,scoring solo goals, free kicks, goals outside the box etc

The Messi haters have moved the goalpost ever since Messi started to outshine Ronaldo all the way back in 2006, and every single time Messi end up demolishing every single argument these fools come up with. The reality is that Cristiano Ronaldo has scored more tap ins than any other footballer in history, he is the modern Gerd Muller in that regard. He has also taken more shots than any other footballer in history and failed vast majority of them, but his fans never talk about that. Just go and watch every game he was booed over and over by the Bernabeu crowd for his selfishness and failiure rate, it will take you days to go through all the matches he was booed by his own fans.
 
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Fati_Future_BallonDor

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The critique against Lewandowski very much applies to Messi and Ronaldo also, who played for absolutely stacked teams in La Liga, for a big portion of their careers.

This! In Pep-Mou era you could bet that Real and barca will win atleast with four goals difference against 80% of la liga matches at home.
 

Jakabor

Well-known member
732 goals
308 assists
34 trophies
55 freekicks
54 hattricks
50 league goals in a season
73 goals all competition in a season
91 goals in a calendar year
7 Pichichi
6 Golden Boot
6 Ballon d'Or
6 FIFA Best Player
2 UEFA Best Player
Goalscorer and creator

Messi >>>>>>> Ronaldo and Lewandowski

You are a fucking dumbass if you think either of them are greater than Leo.
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
732 goals
308 assists
34 trophies
55 freekicks
54 hattricks
50 league goals in a season
73 goals all competition in a season

91 goals in a calendar year

7 Pichichi
6 Golden Boot
6 Ballon d'Or
6 FIFA Best Player
2 UEFA Best Player
Goalscorer and creator

Messi >>>>>>> Ronaldo and Lewandowski

You are a fucking dumbass if you think either of them are greater than Leo.

These goal records are hilarious. He wasnt never a pure striker and still managed to get these numbers. But unfortunately he has two big negtive sides in his career:

1. Never won a title with argentinia

2. Has to play for a very bad barca side between 2017-2021+ (compared to other top clubs)

The first point is still solvable but second one is unchangeable.
 
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soul24rage

Senior Member
These goal records are hilarious. He wasnt never a pure striker and still managed to get these numbers. But unfortunately he has two big negtive sides in his career:

1. Never won a title with argentinia

2. Has to play for a very bad barca side between 2017-2021+ (compared to other top clubs)

The first point is still solvable but second one will is unchangeable.

Let's hope from here on now those 2 things change.
 

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