Lionel Messi - v7
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serghei
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Depends where you draw the line at the word "superstars". Only Barca and Madrid were superstar teams, with many all time great players in their ranks.
Don't think Liverpool today are any weaker player-wise than United in late 00's or Inter, or Bayern.
KingLeo10
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United - Ballon d'Or CR7, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes, Rio, Vidic, VDS, Evra and a lot of other great supplementary pieces.
Inter is comparable to Pool, I'll concede that. Still they had names like Eto'o and Sneijder.
Bayern - Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Muller (in those days he was the best SS in the world and clutch), Boateng, Alaba, Lahm, Neuer
Liverpool - I'd only consider Mane, Salah, Van Dijk, Trent, and maybe Alison.
serghei
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You're right about United, more legends.
Bayern is close. Why is Alaba and not Robertson?
From Liverpool, 4/5 players in their defense are top 3 in their position (Alisson 2nd best GK, Van Dijnk no1 CB, Trent no1 RB, Robertson arguably no1 LB). All would make the cut. From midfield, Wijnaldum makes the cut as individually clutch. In attack 2/3 make the cut, with Salah and Mane among the best players in the world.
serghei
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They only pale in comparison when looking at 2009 or 2011 Barcelona, or even 2015, where almost all players bar one or two are world class with some being even beyond that. Or, to a lesser extent, Madrid, with players like Ramos, Marcelo, Ronaldo, Kroos, Modric, world class or in the conversation for more than that.
He said:
-Pep left because of him
-Xavi didn't join because of him
-Our board is bad because of him (lol)
-He decides who can join Barca (lol, he would be a bad scout)
To me these statements are nothing but fantasy, but i do agree that he and the amigos could use a kick in the ass. Personally i would let go everyone of them except him. Now imagine you are
the goat of the sport and you have idiots running things at the club you love and don't want to leave. What would you do? Depending on your character there are different options, he choose extremely passive resistance and
kept producing on goat level. Of course someone will now say that he should have been more vocal, lol. He just can't win can he?
We wouldn't have this state of things if we had a wc coach with a vision. Is that also on Messi?
Point: Don't put blame on his ass when, except for 4 years, he played under 3rd quality level(at best) managers, including the national team. In the past decade every single season Barca had
an obvious weaknesses in the starting 11. Not to mention the bench players. Barca is one of the richest clubs on the planet, so who's to blame for that? Messi? Now think about the guy who's often compared to him
and think about his teams and managers he played under. See the difference?
It's probably the other way around if anything. Bayern, Barca, and Madrid were strong but the rest not really. You bring up Inter and United but each of them only had 1 season as a great team in that era, 09-10 for Inter and 08-09 for United. The fact that 2011 United was a top three team speaks volumes about the lack of quality around that time.
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serghei
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Right now only Liverpool is near the level of those teams though. Barca/Madrid are not very good, City are unproven in Europe, Atletico they try hard but aren't a great team, Juve are past it as well. PSG are joke in Champions League, until they prove otherwise. Bayern are good, but not as good as back then.
It's easy to make past eras look better when you cherrypick the best teams from different seasons. If you pick a particular season, you could easily find similar flaws with the teams then.
Marie-Antoinette
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Pep left because of Rosell. Eto'o and Ibra because of Pep.
khaled_a_d
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Marie-Antoinette
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Nice user name
Nice to meet you too! 😉
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