Lionel Messi - v7

[JamDav1982]

These issues are because of weak leadership at the top of the club, if Messi felt confident that the board knew what they were doing he could concentrate on football like he did earlier on in his career. He shouldn't need to get involved in anything else but he loves the club and feels like he needs to say something. And if Messi wants Suarez to play because he is his buddy then a strong manager would say tough shit Leo I pick the team not you, but there is no strong Manager and that is not Messi's fault.

Weak leadership as give too much power to Messi and amigos.

A blind man could see that EV should have gone last summer.... Messi and amigos kept him in job.

Anyone can see Suarez is done and most likely too scared of amigos to do what needs done.

Those players can come out with sounbites now about 'leadership' and changes at top but it is all another power play to entrench their positions and nothing will change.

 

[Batistuta9]

I find it disrespectful towards Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Puyol, to say Messi carried that formidable Barcelona.

The truth is that the players you mentioned deserve so much credit along with pep. Football isn't fair a lot of the time. As more time passes the most successful period in Barca's history will be synonymous with Messi. A lot of other key players will be forgotten. Same happened with Pele and maradona.

 

[serghei]

The truth is that the players you mentioned deserve so much credit along with pep. Football isn't fair a lot of the time. As more time passes the most successful period in Barca's history will be synonymous with Messi. A lot of other key players will be forgotten. Same happened with Pele and maradona.

Don't think so. Those players are too great to be forgotten. Plus, they have that ultra domination with Spain to make sure people remember. Don't think I've ever heard anywhere else the idea that Messi carried in any way Pep's Barcelona.

 

[Mitchell1978]

Weak leadership as give too much power to Messi and amigos.

A blind man could see that EV should have gone last summer.... Messi and amigos kept him in job.

Bollocks, Bartomeu kept Valverde, no one else.

 

[Batistuta9]

how can this be the case when Messi is a big part of why this team is average with no system?

as Jamdav said, Bayern, City and other top teams wouldn't go anywhere near this version of Messi. smart managers know you can't afford any passengers at this stage

Of course Messi has fault in the current state of the team. The majority of the media still see Messi as the world's best player, while they see Barca as an average team.

 

[serghei]

Bollocks, Bartomeu kept Valverde, no one else.

Bartomeu sided with the veterans at the first sign of any issues, or contradictions in the team, eating away at the manager's statute and power inside the team. There is little doubt at this stage.

The no1 issue is the manager has limited power at the team, because of the crooked relation between the veterans (led by Messi obviously) and Bartomeu.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course Messi has fault in the current state of the team. The majority of the media still see Messi as the world's best player, while they see Barca as an average team.

In all honesty the media are scared to criticise Messi at times.

Fair play to McManaman yesterday. He was calling Messi out on the disgraceful lack of effort.

 

[JamDav1982]

Bollocks, Bartomeu kept Valverde, no one else.

Yes he kept him as amigos including Messi wanted him to.

The board are shit scared of them.

 

[Mitchell1978]

Bartomeu sided with the veterans at the first sign of any issues, or contradictions in the team, eating away at the manager's statute and power inside the team. There is little doubt at this stage.

Yet he fired Valverde after a loss (but decent performance) after a rather unimportant game against the wishes of the veterans.
In retrospect firing Valverde then was a mistake.

Barto does what he does so he can stay in power as long as possible.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yet he fired Valverde after a loss (but decent performance) after a rather unimportant games against the wishes of the veterans.

Barto does what he does so he can stay in power as long as possible.

It came to point that even Barto knew EV was done and other players complaining and they eventually made the right call to let him go but too late.

Yes Barto indulging the amigos too often is all about staying in power.

Same with amigos wanting to stay in power also.

The two together have left the first team rotten.

 

[Batistuta9]

Don't think so. Those players are too great to be forgotten. Plus, they have that ultra domination with Spain to make sure people remember. Don't think I've ever heard anywhere else the idea that Messi carried in any way Pep's Barcelona.

We won't forget them as we know what they contributed. I'm saying after 20 years or so, this period of Barca will be called Messi's era. Just like most people credit everything to the main player of successful teams. It's happened throughout history. Di Stefano, pele, cruyff, maradona etc. They get most of the credit despite having very good players alongside them.

 

[ebc_99]

Weak leadership as give too much power to Messi and amigos.

A blind man could see that EV should have gone last summer.... Messi and amigos kept him in job.

Anyone can see Suarez is done and most likely too scared of amigos to do what needs done.

Those players can come out with sounbites now about 'leadership' and changes at top but it is all another power play to entrench their positions and nothing will change.

Maybe they didn't trust the board to get somebody better than Valverde, and knew full well that they would probably end up with an even worse manager which is exactly what happened. If Messi criticises the manager then no top coach worth his salt would take the job if they felt Messi is the boss. So even if he wanted to criticise Valverde it is best for everyone including himself that he keeps his mouth shut.

 

[FCMessi]

The narrative coming after yesterday's game seems to be Messi should leave if he wants a realistic chance to win another CL. Barca are seen as a very average team who will need a few years to rebuild. Time that Messi doesn't have. This is the view of most pundits and analysts atm.

Barca might have been better than "average" if Fati, Dembele, Griezman, Puig had started instead of Busquet, Suarez, Vidal.

Then again, Setian is the genius who knows better.

Should not let Messi leave for free.

 

[JamDav1982]

We won't forget them as we know what they contributed. I'm saying after 20 years or so, this period of Barca will be called Messi's era. Just like most people credit everything to the main player of successful teams. It's happened throughout history. Di Stefano, pele, cruyff, maradona etc. They get most of the credit despite having very good players alongside them.

Dont agree with that.

The Barca era will always have the names of Xavi and Iniesta mentioned with it.

Messi will be seen as best player but that midfield and other areas of team will always be taken into account.

 

[serghei]

We won't forget them as we know what they contributed. I'm saying after 20 years or so, this period of Barca will be called Messi's era. Just like most people credit everything to the main player of successful teams. It's happened throughout history. Di Stefano, pele, cruyff, maradona etc. They get most of the credit despite having very good players alongside them.

Don't know, it's tough to know these things. We have extensive videos about this era. Era of youtube and HD videos, things could be different. Past eras were altered because they were told from person to person, usually from parents and such. This era can be seen by anyone upon direct observation. Things aren't as lost in translation so to speak.