Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

[L3v1s]

Messi (alongside maybe Maradona) is clearly the greatest player of all time. The fact I of all people - a man who is constantly preaching about how good past greats are - thinks so should be telling enough.

Everyone with sense knows it. It should be abundantly obvious.

Some jealous trolls can clown on him for his height or his looks, but he will still be the best footballer in history.

Messi imo is everything Maradona was, but more professional. He's widely acknowledged by most football pundits/ex-greats, and that holds more weight than what internet connoisseurs might want to believe. I dont think there's anything to troll about his looks. He was awkward looking as a teenager/early 20s but he looks fine now. This was his best look imo

Also, it is a popular opinion to believe Messi is better than Cristiano Ronaldo. That is normal. Most people agree with that.

What's unpopular it seems is what i think - that Messi is much/miles better than him, it's a complete no-contest, and it's a farce of a debate driven by PR and media hype and creation of a forced 'rivalry' to make money. Rather than their actual ability. Because Messi pisses on him from a huge height.

On the Messi vs Ronaldo website, the poll shows that 75% of the voters believe Messi is the better player. And that's the most credible site imo, since you have all their stats together, trophies etc. Messi is widely acknowledged as the Greatest by most football pundits/ex-greats, whereas Cristiano is mostly praised by his current/ex-teammates. Many ex-Real Madrid players started to acknowledge Messi as the greatest when they left the club, though I suspect it was because of Florentino's politics.

 

[Maradona37]

Messi imo is everything Maradona was, but more professional. He's widely acknowledged by most football pundits/ex-greats, and that holds more weight than what internet connoisseurs might want to believe. I dont think there's anything to troll about his looks. He was awkward looking as a teenager/early 20s but he looks fine now. This was his best look imo

On the Messi vs Ronaldo website, the poll shows that 75% of the voters believe Messi is the better player. And that's the most credible site imo, since you have all their stats together, trophies etc. Messi is widely acknowledged as the Greatest by most football pundits/ex-greats, whereas Cristiano is mostly praised by his current/ex-teammates. Many ex-Real Madrid players started to acknowledge Messi as the greatest when they left the club, though I suspect it was because of Florentino's politics.
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Yeah he's a normal, decent, average looking guy. I just said that because Temptation laughed at the idea someone might consider him handsome. I agree he's a more professional, equally talented Maradona.

Yeah that is what I mean. Most people consider him the better player, but if you ask if he's the MUCH better player, less will agree. Even though I think that is the truth.

I think these people have been brainwashed by the creation of a forced rivalry to believe these two are peers in talent, when actually Ronaldo is a lot closer to Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Lewy, Salah, Modric etc than he is Messi. He just gets a boost from his off-field fame, which has little to do with his talent.

 

[L3v1s]

Yeah he's a normal, decent, average looking guy. I just said that because Temptation laughed at the idea someone might consider him handsome. I agree he's a more professional, equally talented Maradona.

Yeah that is what I mean. Most people consider him the better player, but if you ask if he's the MUCH better player, less will agree. Even though I think that is the truth.

I think these people have been brainwashed by the creation of a forced rivalry to believe these two are peers in talent, when actually Ronaldo is a lot closer to Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Lewy, Salah, Modric etc than he is Messi. He just gets a boost from his off-field fame, which has little to do with his talent.

I agree that a lot of this rivalry was pushed by the media because it sold good, they even said it themselves. Though I do have to mention that at times it was quite tense partly because of the club rivalry aswell, more specifically the 2011-2015 period. But besides competing in numbers, the difference between them as footballers was bigger than it seems.
Anyone who's seen Messi's prime(and there's so many versions of him) and can appreciate football at its purest knows that he's the greatest player they've witnessed playing, unless they watched Maradona's prime.

 

[Maradona37]

I agree that a lot of this rivalry was pushed by the media because it sold good, they even said it themselves. Though I do have to mention that at times it was quite tense partly because of the club rivalry aswell, more specifically the 2011-2015 period. But besides competing in numbers, the difference between them as footballers was bigger than it seems.
Anyone who's seen Messi's prime(and there's so many versions of him) and can appreciate football at its purest knows that he's the greatest player they've witnessed playing, unless they watched Maradona's prime.

Yeah it's because they played for arch-rival clubs, and were positioned as the protagonists of those clubs. So they became linked via a narrative.It's a good 'story' to sell, but the sad truth for the fiction lovers is that Ronaldo never came close to Messi in anything but fame and goalscoring.

Like if Ronaldo played in 80s Serie A, nobody would compare him to Messi, if Messi was playing now. If they were of different generations nobody would ever think to compare these two. Ronaldo is just fortunate that he played in the same era, in the same league, and was able to maintain pace in goalscoring and win an extra CL. It's more about circumstance and Ronaldo riding and profiting from Messi's genius (as I have said before).

I have heard some people say that Ronaldo must be better than Maradona, Pele et al because he 'kept up with Messi' so how can he not be the second-best player ever? That proves exactly what I say about their mindset - they think cos he 'kept up with Messi' (which he didn't really) he can't be far off him, and must therefore be better than everyone else in history ff Messi is too. Essentially he hangs off Messi's success like a leech. Guys like Rassvet and Ronaldo himself say he's unlucky and victimised because of media 'loving' Messi - it's the other way about: Ronaldo is only rated as high as he is because he played in Messi's generation and was positioned as a rival to the great genius.

Yes, exactly. There really is no other rival except Maradona - not even Pele. Maradona is the only one who can compete with Messi in sheer otherworldly genius. R9 possibly too but overall I wouldn't say so. Though he's probably (alongside Pele) next in line in terms of most talented after the top 2.

 

[L3v1s]

There's also the false narrative that Cristiano is more enjoyable to watch than Messi, as in that Messi's style is boring whereas the Portuguese is entertaining. Ignoring the fact that Ronaldo has probably hundreds of matches where he's invisible for large parts of a game and you dont really see much highlights unless he scores. Messi on the other hand contributes much more to the game despite not scoring or even assisting. And there's the hundreds of plays he makes, the dribbles etc. It would take a day to even mention them.

 

[MDub94]

Very interesting conversation @Maradona37 @L3v1s

By the way, does anybody have information on wether Leo will play vs Philadelphia tonight? Maybe @KingLeo10 or @CatalinR10 ?

Would love to see La Pulga in action again.

 

[KingLeo10]

Football resume wise (team + individual trophies), Messi is the best

Peak level wise over season, Messi is the best (2010/2011 or 2014/2015)

Peak level in a tournament, Maradona 86 edges Messi CL 2011

Leadership wise? Messi is very underrated especially after how the WC 22 unfolded. Masterclass in leadership. Maradona is the best here though. Even looking past Argentina, just the titles with Napoli against those Milan, Juve, Inter etc sides

 

[soul24rage]

Very interesting conversation @Maradona37 @L3v1s

By the way, does anybody have information on wether Leo will play vs Philadelphia tonight? Maybe @KingLeo10 or @CatalinR10 ?

Would love to see La Pulga in action again.

Probably at max, a 2nd half sub. No way he will start as a starter after coming from injury, especially with a trip to LA coming up.

All these conversations about the GOAT makes me miss him more.

Miss you mister.

 

[Maradona37]

Very interesting conversation @Maradona37 @L3v1s

By the way, does anybody have information on wether Leo will play vs Philadelphia tonight? Maybe @KingLeo10 or @CatalinR10 ?

Would love to see La Pulga in action again.

Thanks bud.

 

[Maradona37]

There's also the false narrative that Cristiano is more enjoyable to watch than Messi, as in that Messi's style is boring whereas the Portuguese is entertaining. Ignoring the fact that Ronaldo has probably hundreds of matches where he's invisible for large parts of a game and you dont really see much highlights unless he scores. Messi on the other hand contributes much more to the game despite not scoring or even assisting. And there's the hundreds of plays he makes, the dribbles etc. It would take a day to even mention them.
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That's one thing I wasn't sure - I think it's widely accepted that Messi is better to watch and offers more outside goals.

Even Ronaldo fanboys don't try to claim he's Messi level at passing and dribbling (though they do try to claim Ronaldo is 'underrated' at those things). They try to steer things in the direction of scoring, physical ability, heading, penalties, off-ball-movement, trophies, how good team-mates are.

But yeah, there's this idea from some that Barca style (Messi) is inferior to hustle and bustle PL style (Ronaldo). It's a load of bollocks and jealousy because those teams cannot play like Barca did.

 

[L3v1s]

That's one thing I wasn't sure - I think it's widely accepted that Messi is better to watch and offers more outside goals.

Even Ronaldo fanboys don't try to claim he's Messi level at passing and dribbling (though they do try to claim Ronaldo is 'underrated' at those things). They try to steer things in the direction of scoring, physical ability, heading, penalties, off-ball-movement, trophies, how good team-mates are.

But yeah, there's this idea from some that Barca style (Messi) is inferior to hustle and bustle PL style (Ronaldo). It's a load of bollocks and jealousy because those teams cannot play like Barca did.

It's one of the main things I've heard from some of his fans. Though I agree a lot of them are also Premier League zealots aswell as "ball knowledge" expertsI have this one lad who says he likes Ronaldo because he's more entertaining and he scores a multitude of goals, as if that makes you a better footballer. Maybe a complete forward, but Messi is also more complete as a footballer since he's able to dominate multiple aspects of the game, being one of the best playmakers of all time, arguably the most efficient finisher(goals/game ratio), one of the best free kick takers(also improved his efficiency as he got older) and probably the best dribbler of all time.

 

[Maradona37]

It's one of the main things I've heard from some of his fans. Though I agree a lot of them are also Premier League zealots aswell as "ball knowledge" expertsI have this one lad who says he likes Ronaldo because he's more entertaining and he scores a multitude of goals, as if that makes you a better footballer. Maybe a complete forward, but Messi is also more complete as a footballer since he's able to dominate multiple aspects of the game, being one of the best playmakers of all time, arguably the most efficient finisher(goals/game ratio), one of the best free kick takers(also improved his efficiency as he got older) and probably the best dribbler of all time.

Agree mate, have said the same things for many years. All of us in here are like-minded guys.

 

[Maradona37]

I don't know if this has been posted before, but it's excellent

Maradona seems to have more flat out explosive speed and takes bigger touches, and is much more extravagant and flamboyant with the flicks. Messi is more economical, favouring bursts of acceleration, closer touches, making every action count, looking more (how to put it) 'classy' and cerebral whereas Maradona is just raw entertainment.

Also, there's so much excellence from both players in the video, but the skill at 55 seconds by Messi is mental.

Also, Maradona taking the piss at 5.05 - goes round the keeper, guy tries to block his 'shot' on the line, but Mara goes round him instead and taps home, lol.

 

[CatalinR10]

By the way, does anybody have information on wether Leo will play vs Philadelphia tonight? Maybe @KingLeo10 or @CatalinR10 ?

Heard some news that he will play

 

[MDub94]

55' Messi coming on
57' Messi scoring