Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

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M3ls

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How have PSG's results in the Champions League changed since Messi's arrival?
Can we compare?


Van Gaal's words come to mind:


“I like Messi as an individual player. He is the best individual player in the world, as his statistics are amazing,” said the 67-year-old.

"Barca has a wonderful team. You can't say that Ivan Rakitic or Philippe Coutinho are weak, or Jordi Alba is weak...they are great players."

“But why hasn't he won the Champions League for four years? As a captain, you have to ask yourself why the team doesn't win the European title.”

"I think that Messi should be responsible for what happens at Barcelona, not just the coach. The players have a part of the responsibility for what happens there", Van Gaal concluded.


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Every football-savvy person understands that the Dutch specialist is alluding primarily to Leo's incredibly lazy play without the ball.
 
CatalinR10

CatalinR10

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M3ls said:
"Barca has a wonderful team. You can't say that Ivan Rakitic or Philippe Coutinho are weak, or Jordi Alba is weak...they are great players."
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M3ls

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2014. The return game of the 1/4 final of the Champions League against Atletico (let me remind you that Atletico went further).

Let's see how many kilometers the players ran:


Xavi: 11,8 km

Jordi Alba 11,5 km

Daniel Alves 10,8 km

Marc Bartra 10,7 km

Neymar 9,5 km

Messi: 6,8 km

Pinto: 5,3 km

Koke 12,2 km

Gabi 11,7 km

Raúl García 11,6 km

Tiago 11,3 km


In April 2014, Messi was 27 years old.
 
MonteCuler

MonteCuler

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Let ballers ball, and let the horses run for them

This is the principle

Messi in his last Barca seasons did his job. He was moving our attack and delivered in what was demanded from him

Rest of the team, however, failed to do it's job. Which is to run for Messi and give their lives to Messi. If they did, they would have achieved more.

Look at how Argentina won the WC 22. Messi didn't run, didn't press. Others were doing it for him, giving their lives for Messi and protecting him while he was doing magic with the ball everytime he gets it and eventually it was enough to win the competition

I should say before you come at me that I'm not the biggest fan of this football idea where others run for one guy. I very much prefer cohesive team dependent on team work.

But why is that? Because individuals are prone to having a shit game, unable to make a difference and influence the game on their own, it happens. And if you base your entire team on an individual, bad game for him means bad game for everybody. Messi, however, is not any player. He is completely different, it rarely happens to him that he can't influence the match. He was unstoppable with the ball.

There were two building blocks of our team in that time; one is Messi and then everybody else. Messi was unstoppable in 18/19, in attack he was delivering like a madman. And what did everybody else do? They didn't run for him, Ter Stegen was clowning himself in front of the goal, Pique was without concentration. Then how can you blame Messi for that elimination? If he delivered on his part, securing us a 3 goal lead in first game basically on his own yet the clowns in defence conceded 4 in the return leg.
 
bismp

bismp

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MonteCuler said:
Let ballers ball, and let the horses run for them

This is the principle

Messi in his last Barca seasons did his job. He was moving our attack and delivered in what was demanded from him

Rest of the team, however, failed to do it's job. Which is to run for Messi and give their lives to Messi. If they did, they would have achieved more.

Look at how Argentina won the WC 22. Messi didn't run, didn't press. Others were doing it for him, giving their lives for Messi and protecting him while he was doing magic with the ball everytime he gets it and eventually it was enough to win the competition

I should say before you come at me that I'm not the biggest fan of this football idea where others run for one guy. I very much prefer cohesive team dependent on team work.

But why is that? Because individuals are prone to having a shit game, unable to make a difference and influence the game on their own, it happens. And if you base your entire team on an individual, bad game for him means bad game for everybody. Messi, however, is not any player. He is completely different, it rarely happens to him that he can't influence the match. He was unstoppable with the ball.

There were two building blocks of our team in that time; one is Messi and then everybody else. Messi was unstoppable in 18/19, in attack he was delivering like a madman. And what did everybody else do? They didn't run for him, Ter Stegen was clowning himself in front of the goal, Pique was without concentration. Then how can you blame Messi for that elimination? If he delivered on his part, securing us a 3 goal lead in first game basically on his own yet the clowns in defence conceded 4 in the return leg.
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We are having the same argument over and over again, it has been like a decade at this point...Messi was the sole reason we won anything in 2017/18 and 2018/19 seasons, he reached incredible levels of creativity. The rest of the team fucked up really bad. Messi gave them a 3-0 lead against prime Liverpool, it is not his fault that everyone shat their pants in Anfield. Or in Rome. Or that the board made a disastrous transfer after another.

By 2019/20 and 2020/21 the team was so shit and admittedly Messi had taken a step back, that this model could not work any more.

That's it.
 
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M3ls

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DonAK said:
Yes.
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So do it.

And this:

PSG in the Champions League before Lionel Messi signed:

2020: Final
2021: Semifinal

Messi joins:

2022: Eliminated in the round of 16
2023: Eliminated in the round of 16

Messi leaves: 2024: Semifinals 2025:

Quarterfinals
 
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