the same users who still claim that Argentina without Messi would be a better team:
their argument is "Messi has high numbers because he is at the center of the game but precisely because he is at the center of the game he ruins the team"
an argument that is based on a bias (you have no evidence to support this, and the argument verges on the absurd)
It has been proven pointless to debate this, as [MENTION=4451]Birdy[/MENTION], who is actually the only one left (who is not a troll) saying this, believes everyone else is biased, but he is subjective.
- Provided with evidence that Argentina have been abysmal for extended periods of time, while Messi was missing, he is dismissing it saying:
"They have been tuned to play for Messi, so they are dependent and need time to play better"
- Provided with evidence that Barcelona have been a catastrophic disaster since he left, even with a heavily revamped squad, he is dismissing it saying:
"We need time to reconstruct" although, it's been two years and we couldn't reconstruct a team to pass the group stages while spending most in the world....
- He admits Argentina are not one of the better teams in this World Cup (not by a long shot), but somehow would be better (THAN REACHING A FREAKING FINAL??) without Messi.
- He disregards all the XG stats for players as far as attacking actions are concerned (where Messi is a statistical anomaly, by staticians' own words), because he is the orchestrator and things revolve around him, ignoring the fact that to be able to perform that role and be tasked with it, you have to be absolutely great. They could have Dybala playing a similar position and role.. would they have reached a final with this squad?
- He says Argies had an easy path because they didn't play one of Germany, England, Spain, Brazil, even though those teams either underperformed massively compared to others they already played, or got eliminated early by smaller teams.
I don't know how many more arguments could be made that he will disregard.
