Windhook
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I meant the period after he won his 4th BdO in a row in 2012. There was much discussion on Sneijder in 2010 and Iniesta in 2012, if I remember correctly.
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I meant the period after he won his 4th BdO in a row in 2012. There was much discussion on Sneijder in 2010 and Iniesta in 2012, if I remember correctly.
Hardy
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tru, and let's not forget before 2010 only european press had right to vote for ballon d'or. that's another factor helped Messi and Ronaldo
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Messi in year 2013 and 2014 was far away from GOAT form and wasnt imo the best in the world, these were probably the worst years in his life. Yeah you had discussions in 10 and 12 but thats pretty normal, to that time there were a lot of great players.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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The Sneijder 2010 shouts are strange. He didn't win serie a player of the year. If anyone should have won ballon d'or from inter it was Diego Milito.
Iniesta had a relatively poor season. 1 goal in 43 starts (fully aware he's not all about the goals) but that's low. Xavi was class and was a worthy shout.
Got to remember Messi and Ronaldo were only at the start of their ridiculous goal scoring shenanigans around then. It was unseen in football to be hitting those numbers except the odd year here and there throughout the history of the game. That's why he won it.
Also just to point out. Winning the league against Real Madrid is a good achievement. That's why it suddenly counts if Messi wins the league. Anyone who throws that away as being the same as Lewa winning the bundesliga is being ridiculous.
Iniesta had a relatively poor season. 1 goal in 43 starts (fully aware he's not all about the goals) but that's low. Xavi was class and was a worthy shout.
Got to remember Messi and Ronaldo were only at the start of their ridiculous goal scoring shenanigans around then. It was unseen in football to be hitting those numbers except the odd year here and there throughout the history of the game. That's why he won it.
Also just to point out. Winning the league against Real Madrid is a good achievement. That's why it suddenly counts if Messi wins the league. Anyone who throws that away as being the same as Lewa winning the bundesliga is being ridiculous.
KingLeo10
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Yeah, it depends on what "best in the world" means. If it's just technical ability/dribbling/goalscoring package, that's Messi all the way (like every year lol). If it's who had the best combo (my definition) of impact and technical skill/dribbling/goalscoring...then...
2008 CR7 best player in the world, no question
2009-2012 Messi best player in the world, no question
2013 and 2014 were actually Ronaldo's absolute prime IMO. First half of 2013 Messi was best in the world but it can be argued that CR7 was best in latter half of 2013 and overall. 2014, CR7 was definitely best in the world.
2015 absolutely no doubt, Messi best in the world
2016 I think you can argue for each of Messi, CR7, and Suarez
2017 CR7 best in the world
2018 Messi or CR7 best in the world
2019 Messi best in the world
2020 Lewandowski best in the world
2021 Messi or Lewandowski best in the world
So, the Ballon D'Or count of 7-5 as it stands is pretty fair.
KingLeo10
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we were in allianz...to loseBut MaTs was top!
Nah don't get fooled by that game. We subbed off Suarez at half-time leading 2-1 at Allianz and 5-1 overall. And then Neymar/Messi cooled off.
If we kept Suarez the whole time and went full throttle, we would have beaten Bayern at Allianz too.
Messigician
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Facts
FinBarcelonafan
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Exactly. Stupid double standards.
FinBarcelonafan
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My god is Evra absolutely losing it on Instagram
He is a clown.
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