Luis Enrique

[JamDav1982]

In those stories you believe??? Right. The players have no say in those things. If they did, Tata wouldn't had come, for starters. Or Lucho. It's all BS, and I'm surprised you think these stories might have any truth in them.

The stories said that Messi approved Tata. Who knows if true.

I would guess it is true they would run this type of thing by Messi but who knows.

Why do you think the players wouldnt have wanted Tata or Lucho?

In all the other things like players wanting a certain style of play etc I do believe are true. Players having opinions on coachs etc I would also believe to be true.

 

[JamDav1982]

Messi didn't choose anyone. And of course the players were asked about lucho. As they were about tata, tito. The press always ask them.

How do you know Messi or players had no input? Press at time said they did.

Other than saying press tell lies why do you think the players were not consulted?

 

[JamDav1982]

So they have no say regarding Txema, the guy who took care of the kits, but have regarding the coaches or players signed? C'mon, jamdav, enough trolling

Sorry not meaning they have a final say in everything I am saying they have an opinion on everything which does have an influence.

 

[xavi_the_Boss]

How do you know Messi or players had no input? Press at time said they did.

Other than saying press tell lies why do you think the players were not consulted?

Tata was a surprising choice as manager and came from argentina.
Pretty easy for them to come up with a Story.

 

[JamDav1982]

Tata was a surprising choice as manager and came from argentina.

Yip, but what does that prove?

I would put money on Messi being consulted before Tata was appointed.

 

[Chainsaw]

Screwing the ball around without making much danger (if any danger at all) when you are behind is not being in control, it means the opposite actually. This confusion about the 'possession means control' should have been altered within the club's philosophy years ago, when Pep left the club for apparently some related issues. But the club has lingered way too long on the past glories, neglecting many issues for years that now it seems to be a mountain to climb to get over these once upon a time minor obstacles.

You see now in many matches, it's not really the opponent who makes the life difficult for Barca. It's Barca who's making the life difficult for Barca. They are now the prey who has fallen into their own trap. The system, any system, need adjustments as the time goes by, because your opponents don't just sit around and let you roll as you wish. You need to move on when you see the old tricks are no longer effective anymore. But the arrogance grown within the club for all those achievements in the past with a 'certain system' has made them blind to the issues which have been starting to get exposed by the time.

 

[Flavia]

Yip, but what does that prove?

I would put money on Messi being consulted before Tata was appointed.

I doubt it. If he had this "Messi approved" sign, he wouldn't have had as many problems as he did. Tata was a Rosell signing. Rosell has a lot of south american contacts. He resigned, tata lost his backing.
This board does not consult anyone. They do whatever they want, period. Trying to blame this on the players is really, really stupid.


Sport is all out against Lucho. There are polls, pieces, and tomorrow's cover. They sell more than Md, hopefully this might make the socios wake up.

 

[JamDav1982]

I doubt it. If he had this "Messi approved" sign, he wouldn't have had as many problems as he did. Tata was a Rosell signing. Rosell has a lot of south american contacts. He resigned, tata lost his backing.
This board does not consult anyone. They do whatever they want, period. Trying to blame this on the players is really, really stupid.


Sport is all out against Lucho. There are polls, pieces, and tomorrow's cover. They sell more than Md, hopefully this might make the socios wake up.

Flavia you said previously that the board asked the players about Lucho, Tata and Tito.

I might be wrong but I dont think they would appoint anyone that Messi ws not happy with. Whether he would even do that I dont know.

It seems to me that the players at Barca have more influence and opinion on a whole range of things that players at other clubs dont.

That is the boards fault. Part of building new teams is getting rebuilding with new fresh players open to new ideas. Barca seem long past that. Read Alex Fergsusons book and he goes on at length about how established players start to challenge authority after they taste success. The key is to keep them off guard and think any of them could be gotten rid of. Barca dont have that in my opinion.

 

[Flavia]

Flavia you said previously that the board asked the players about Lucho, Tata and Tito.

No, I did not say that. I said the press asked, after they were appointed, as they always do. Of course the board did not ask them. Xavi was about to leave, that shows he was not challenging anyone. Messi is not the type of player who does it either. He might complain at home, or with a player who is close, but he really is not the type to go and complain to Bartomeu.

The problem was hiring another incompetent coach, having an incompetent sport director and president, and not signing well this past summer. Xavi, Messi or Iniesta have no fault on any of that. You implying this is somehow the players fault is really comical. And deluded.

 

[Chainsaw]

JamDav think the players are a bunch of robots and the coach is their programmer designing them to behave in whatever way he wishes. "Dangerous times are these blah blah..." In every club there needs to be a mutual respect between the employees in order to see the best happen for the club's benefits. And this mutual respect is earned, not preached! You cannot behave in whatever way you wish to and expect everyone to follow you blindly. The players HAVE power in every club, because guess what? They are the ones playing this game! Stating the obvious! There doesn't need to be always a brawl in the daylight to see there isn't something right withing the team. Specially at this level of football which contain some of the best players in the history of the game. Some of the players who give identity to this whole sport. These guys are not clueless children. They are inside this god damn business at its highest level! They can see, quite easy and faster than you how competent a coach is or is not by the way he trains, behave and roll as the time goes, or when the time gets tough. And when you lose the players respect it is hard to expect them to play to their best quality. Their body language says enough about what they think of their coach. No needs for words.

 

[dakt]

Soooo.....Atletico is next!
Come and get em Lucho!

 

[JamDav1982]

No, I did not say that. I said the press asked, after they were appointed, as they always do. Of course the board did not ask them. Xavi was about to leave, that shows he was not challenging anyone. Messi is not the type of player who does it either. He might complain at home, or with a player who is close, but he really is not the type to go and complain to Bartomeu.

The problem was hiring another incompetent coach, having an incompetent sport director and president, and not signing well this past summer. Xavi, Messi or Iniesta have no fault on any of that. You implying this is somehow the players fault is really comical.

I have said its the boards fault for not refreshing the players enough or having enough clout to change the style of play.

Re signing Xavi for me was a huge error, he has too much influence on how the team plays. Pairing him with Iniesta and the team play in a way that is 3 years out of date.

Xavis quotes today says it all. He actually thinks the team played well! He is probably the most respected player in the dressing room and thats what he is saying!!

Players having too much power is not even a deliberate, malicious thing. I dont think Xavi tries to sabotage anyone or anything but his stature makes it hard for anyone to try and change things while he is there.

It feels to me that there is a group of players that are stagnant and unable to adapt the style of play to anything new and the board have been too slow to make changes required due to their status as club legends.

 

[Flavia]

I have said its the boards fault for not refreshing the players enough or having enough clout to change the style of play.

Re signing Xavi for me was a huge error, he has too much influence on how the team plays. Pairing him with Iniesta and the team play in a way that is 3 years out of date.

Xavis quotes today says it all. He actually thinks the team played well! He is probably the most respected player in the dressing room and thats what he is saying!!

Players having too much power is not even a deliberate, malicious thing. I dont think Xavi tries to sabotage anyone or anything but his stature makes it hard for anyone to try and change things while he is there.

It feels to me that there is a group of players that are stagnant and unable to adapt the style of play to anything new and the board have been too slow to make changes required due to their status as club legends.

The imediate problem is the coach. He is the one picking the players. Also, the board for signing badly in a crucial moment, knowing a ban was incoming. Xavi wouldn't say now to the press he thinks we played badly, that would be the same as throwing Lucho under a bus. And as a captain, he can't do that. It's already a mess, this would only make things worse.

Lucho was the one who convinced Xavi to stay, btw. He was already looking for a place to live on usa. Lucho is the biggest problem. And the idiots in the board too.

 

[NotInHere]

Damn PSG coming up and Atletico, its going to be a disaster and I'm gonna grab my bag of popcorn and enjoy the reactions

 

[Chainsaw]

PSG?!