malvolio
Senior Member
It was a volcano and Dembele that derailed us from breaking records in CL.
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RedxMAK
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Wrong about what? What a load of crap you're talking about.For someone who was proven wrong the majority of the times, it's baffling to see you talk about education and intelligence
Keita was an anomaly for the Barca midfield at the time, similar to how Vidal and Paulinho are anomaly for that midfield at the time. They were squad players who brought different characteristics that suited to their respective team at the time. It's not hard to understand.
You're already in a puddle.
Time has put everything in its proper place. We remember Barcelona's "success" in the LC since the 2015-2016 season. And Messi and his friend Suarez are fully responsible for that as Van Gaal explicitly pointed out.
It's a shame that the damage he did to us was not only on the margins of Champions League matches, but financially as well.
The contract is for 4 years at 555 million euros. We are still paying debts to this man who loves this club very much.
@vegitot
What a stupid person you are if you don't distinguish between political correctness and real opinion.
Klopp was saying that Messi might not press, and behind the scenes before the return leg against Barcelona, he and his assistant built the team's entire strategy in positional attacks around Leo and Suarez's terrible play without the ball.
Doggie, listen again to Klopp's assistant who was directly involved in the preparation for this match (0-4).
Gulped 0-4? Now go back to your seat, doggie.
What a stupid person you are if you don't distinguish between political correctness and real opinion.
Klopp was saying that Messi might not press, and behind the scenes before the return leg against Barcelona, he and his assistant built the team's entire strategy in positional attacks around Leo and Suarez's terrible play without the ball.
Doggie, listen again to Klopp's assistant who was directly involved in the preparation for this match (0-4).
RedxMAK
Active member
LC as in Liga de Campeones (Champions League) right?
I swear not. We can already see how our pressing is weaker with Lewandowski than without him. That said, I've already said that this 36 year old Lewandowski presses and works more without the ball than Leo at 28.
Now imagine what would happen with Leo?
Man City had less than 37% percent possession yesterday, for they couldN'T get the ball back quickly after losses because they have Haaland in their lineup, who isn't particularly active without the ball either. That said, he is definitely more active than Leo without the ball. Did it help City?
To possess and dominate you have to get the ball back quicker after attacking and losing it, that is, you have to be active without the ball.
Yea, sorry. I wanted to say - CL.
That said, it's important to realize that Leo wasn't a pressing machine in 2012 when Pep was in the team either. But it wasn't as critical then. But it became more and more critical thereafter. Soccer started to change a lot. Most teams used to just make very long passes forward to get out from under our pressure. But then over time, even the smaller teams started to play quick short-to-medium passes. Today, even Brentford are trying to play in that style.
Also, at that time there were only a few clubs that used active pressing to get the ball back, like Bielsa's Bilbao. But again. over time most teams started to change.
Also, at that time there were only a few clubs that used active pressing to get the ball back, like Bielsa's Bilbao. But again. over time most teams started to change.
soul24rage
Senior Member
You've already been proven to be a liar and incapable of debating. There's no one rational figure who agrees with you and the likes of Klopp and Pep speaks of Messi in the highest of regards.
I already debunked your argument of the avalanche effect of the 555m contract so no need to reopen that wound.
TheStig
Member
He would score shitload of goals and would do other amazing things and we would win titles. Don't really want to get in this debate, of course everbody prefers a Pedro instead of prime Messi.
You may hear - football used to be romantic, but now it's boring, it feels like robots are playing on the field.
Sorry guys, footballjust got a lot more professional. footballplayers are much more athletic, they are much more responsible for their nutrition, regimen, there are new technologies that are actively used by footballanalysts, who are on a completely different level than before, there are a large number of system coaches who bet on active pressing, positional soccer, or soccer with quick transitions through short-to-medium passes.
Of course, it used to be easier for Ronaldinho to create, because he received the ball and there were hectares of free space in front of him. And at the same time he could afford not to return to the defense.
If today's lazy Leao had played in that era, I'm sure he would have gotten at least one golden ball.
Sorry guys, footballjust got a lot more professional. footballplayers are much more athletic, they are much more responsible for their nutrition, regimen, there are new technologies that are actively used by footballanalysts, who are on a completely different level than before, there are a large number of system coaches who bet on active pressing, positional soccer, or soccer with quick transitions through short-to-medium passes.
Of course, it used to be easier for Ronaldinho to create, because he received the ball and there were hectares of free space in front of him. And at the same time he could afford not to return to the defense.
If today's lazy Leao had played in that era, I'm sure he would have gotten at least one golden ball.
Listen to what Klopp was thinking as he prepared to humiliate Messi's Barcelona at Anfield.
Just don't cry.
There was a 555 million euro contract and that's an absolute fact.
I think we've won a lot more titles, and we wouldn't be 6 years without a Champions League title if Leo had changed his approach to working without the ball. Certainly from 2012 to 2021 we would have won many more Champions League titles than one.
soul24rage
Senior Member
Sigh.
Again, that video has nothing to do at all with the main topic. Again, trying to get out of the argument. Just FYI, the main issue vs Liverpool at Anfield was getting out of Liverpool's press, not Messi and Suarez pressing the defenders lol.
You also need to read more carefully. I'm talking about the avalanche effect of the 555m, but, like always, you strayed away from the main topic and just talking 555m. contract.
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