Luis Suárez

[Ousmane Dembélé]

Auba? Another player pushing 30 and from Dortmund as well? Absolutely not.

Auba, Ozil, Di Maria, bring them all in!

 

[Xaviniesta]

People need to realize Suarez is declining. He turns 31 in like 2 months. This isn't a "temporary form" situation

 

[Neeraj]

He's not the worst striker in Europe, he's most likely the worst player to be playing across any team in a top league at the moment. That's not an exaggeration; anybody who plays anywhere close to his level would see the bench. We have this unique situation of his big name crushing the spine of Valverde. All those defending Valverde - name me one reason Valverde should keep Suarez on. Sometimes, even if you are on bad form, you need some bench time to sort yourself out; you're losing confidence the more the spotlight grows on you.

Anyway, that's a moot point because it's not about form. Suarez is done. Period. Valverde is a coward and it's a big 'Fuck You' to the fans, when he will take any player off the pitch but him, when it's clear he's actually single handedly losing us points. Atrocious.

To boot, his constant diving, holding his face, ankles, complaining - I don't think I've ever disliked a Barca player as much as I dislike Suarez right now.

 

[BBZ8800]

All those defending Valverde - name me one reason Valverde should keep Suarez on. Sometimes, even if you are on bad form, you need some bench time to sort yourself out; you're losing confidence the more the spotlight grows on you.

1. there is a slight chance that he might improve (but he won't be as good as before, of course)
2. there is absolutely no one to play in attack, except Paco, who has really strange movement at times and seems like a very strange fit for our team in general. Not to mention that he had confidence problems for Months.
3. another option is Deulofeu-Messi, we will have no one to drag players away in the middle, and Messi will be surrounded by 3-4 players all the time, like often happened yesterday
4. as always, Denis is not an option in any case for a team like Barcelona
5. Dembele is a winger and he has yet to play, click and show some impact

Basically, the only option is to drop Suarez and play 442 with Messi-Paco.
As said, I am not sure how that team would work long term since Paco is physically weaker (and even slower) than Suarez and that change would change a lot of mechanisms in terms of team's actions, movement etc.

When you sum it all, even playing bad Suarez is more or less better than any other option which we currently have in our team.
** Note: if someone will reply that we should that we should play Messi-Denis attack or Denis-Messi-Deulo, sorry guys, I'll just ignore and skip those posts, there is no way that I will reply to those.

 

[Raketa10]

If his name wasn't Luis Suarez he would be on the stands already. I simply can not believe how bad he is.
I know he had a knee injury but this looks like he had some kind of a head injury and forgot how to play football! Fucking unbelievable, he plays like a 50 years old veteran.

1. there is a slight chance that he might improve (but he won't be as good as before, of course)
2. there is absolutely no one to play in attack, except Paco, who has really strange movement at times and seems like a very strange fit for our team in general. Not to mention that he had confidence problems for Months.
3. another option is Deulofeu-Messi, we will have no one to drag players away in the middle, and Messi will be surrounded by 3-4 players all the time, like often happened yesterday
4. as always, Denis is not an option in any case for a team like Barcelona
5. Dembele is a winger and he has yet to play, click and show some impact

Basically, the only option is to drop Suarez and play 442 with Messi-Paco.
As said, I am not sure how that team would work long term since Paco is physically weaker (and even slower) than Suarez and that change would change a lot of mechanisms in terms of team's actions, movement etc.

When you sum it all, even playing bad Suarez is more or less better than any other option which we currently have in our team.
** Note: if someone will reply that we should that we should play Messi-Denis attack or Denis-Messi-Deulo, sorry guys, I'll just ignore and skip those posts, there is no way that I will reply to those.

I agree with everything you wrote but I would still give a chance to Paco, at least in some home games. He simply can not be any worse than Suarez is right now. That being said I really hope that we will be very active in January transfer window or we will get slaughtered in the spring. Demebele will return but we'll still have a huge problem on the left side. We really need LM/LW ASAP. I also hope we'll buy Griezmann next summer.

This would be a dream attack:

Dembele-Messi-Coutinho
------Griezmann--------

The problem will definitely be how to sell Suarez. He has a HUGE wage and I don't think he'll want to go anywhere. He might become the most expensive backup striker ever.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

1. there is a slight chance that he might improve (but he won't be as good as before, of course)

There is also a slight chance that Arda improves, should we play him as well and further jeopardize our results? You can't count on finished players to improve. Is there a small chance that Suarez returns to being a professional footballer? Maybe, but we can't sit around waiting for something that may and probably will never happen.

2. there is absolutely no one to play in attack, except Paco, who has really strange movement at times and seems like a very strange fit for our team in general. Not to mention that he had confidence problems for Months.

I don't care how bad Paco's movement is, he won't go offside ten times a game. Suarez is visibly frustrated and probably has worse morale than Paco does now, in fact the last two times Paco started he scored 2 goals and was involved in 2 others, I'm sure his confidence is fine.

3. another option is Deulofeu-Messi, we will have no one to drag players away in the middle, and Messi will be surrounded by 3-4 players all the time, like often happened yesterday

Deulofeu is trash, you seem to like him for some reason. As bad as Deu is he would still be better than Suarez, hell any attacker in Europe right now would be better than Suarez.

4. as always, Denis is not an option in any case for a team like Barcelona

Strange that you consider a headless chicken like Deulofeu a better option than Denis, who actually has a bit of skill. All I know is that Denis can make an open pass, can control the ball and is relatively good at finishing his chances when he gets them. In your eyes Paco and Denis have no business being at this club, but Deu does?

5. Dembele is a winger and he has yet to play, click and show some impact

What does Dembele not playing have anything to do with Suarez's inability to beat his man, his horrific first touch, going offside repeatedly, failing simple passes, bottling open chances etc?

Basically, the only option is to drop Suarez and play 442 with Messi-Paco.
As said, I am not sure how that team would work long term since Paco is physically weaker (and even slower) than Suarez and that change would change a lot of mechanisms in terms of team's actions, movement etc.

When you sum it all, even playing bad Suarez is more or less better than any other option which we currently have in our team.

You keep harping on about how this version of Suarez is better than any attacker we have, but you have yet to explain yourself. No Suarez is not faster than Paco, nor does he have better movement when he's going offside every 2 minutes. This argument that we have no better alternatives would've worked last year when Suarez was declining, but still somewhat decent and scoring. A wet turd would be better than Suarez right now. That's just the truth, forget his name, his reputation, what he did for us a couple years ago. Just compare his attributes and recent performances to other attackers in our squad and you'd quickly realize Suarez is the worst by far even with our limited options going forward. This is a guy living off his former glory, but that will only buy him so long, he isn't currently fit to start on the B team as things currently stand.

 

[Neeraj]

1. there is a slight chance that he might improve (but he won't be as good as before, of course)
2. there is absolutely no one to play in attack, except Paco, who has really strange movement at times and seems like a very strange fit for our team in general. Not to mention that he had confidence problems for Months.
3. another option is Deulofeu-Messi, we will have no one to drag players away in the middle, and Messi will be surrounded by 3-4 players all the time, like often happened yesterday
4. as always, Denis is not an option in any case for a team like Barcelona
5. Dembele is a winger and he has yet to play, click and show some impact

Basically, the only option is to drop Suarez and play 442 with Messi-Paco.
As said, I am not sure how that team would work long term since Paco is physically weaker (and even slower) than Suarez and that change would change a lot of mechanisms in terms of team's actions, movement etc.

When you sum it all, even playing bad Suarez is more or less better than any other option which we currently have in our team.
** Note: if someone will reply that we should that we should play Messi-Denis attack or Denis-Messi-Deulo, sorry guys, I'll just ignore and skip those posts, there is no way that I will reply to those.

Yeah, I don't understand the better than Paco argument though. In what way is he better than Paco exactly? If he was doing nothing but finishing his chances, sure I could make a case for him. Or, if he had good hold up play, like Benzema used to have (or still has? not sure), okay fine. Or if he was just good at making runs - which is what I think your point is - well, there's no way Paco could be worse at making runs than Suarez, who's constantly offside right? I mean, leaving this game aside, he's offside a lot.

I'm just trying to understand ONE thing Suarez does better than anyone else, let aside Paco, that could make an argument for him.

There's no way your first point can work in his favor, because that argument could be made for ANYONE, no matter how shit he is, for how long. You could argue that Gomes is going to get better too, but at some point you take a call that the person is just not good enough or has completely declined.

My point is, Paco, however average, brings SOMETHING to the team. Suarez is a liability.

 

[MessiCam]

1. there is a slight chance that he might improve (but he won't be as good as before, of course)
2. there is absolutely no one to play in attack, except Paco, who has really strange movement at times and seems like a very strange fit for our team in general. Not to mention that he had confidence problems for Months.
3. another option is Deulofeu-Messi, we will have no one to drag players away in the middle, and Messi will be surrounded by 3-4 players all the time, like often happened yesterday
4. as always, Denis is not an option in any case for a team like Barcelona
5. Dembele is a winger and he has yet to play, click and show some impact

Basically, the only option is to drop Suarez and play 442 with Messi-Paco.
As said, I am not sure how that team would work long term since Paco is physically weaker (and even slower) than Suarez and that change would change a lot of mechanisms in terms of team's actions, movement etc.

When you sum it all, even playing bad Suarez is more or less better than any other option which we currently have in our team.
** Note: if someone will reply that we should that we should play Messi-Denis attack or Denis-Messi-Deulo, sorry guys, I'll just ignore and skip those posts, there is no way that I will reply to those.

You will skip it because you know you can't answer it. It was Denis' play that led to Messi's pass for the goal too... He offers way more than the bum Suarez in terms of involvement and movement. He is always driving the game forward...

Valencia

Eibar

Las Palmas

Every time Valverde has found himself chasing a game this guy has come to his rescue and it happened again last night. That you're unwilling to acknowledge him only says that you're stuck in your ways in a similar vein as Valverde. This guy just needs play time and if we're not careful we will lose him.

 

[Messi983]

There is also a slight chance that Arda improves, should we play him as well and further jeopardize our results?

I would actually play Arda over Suarez and Deulofeu.

 

[Devils]

Nobody just loses their talent and ability like what has been observed with Suarez this season. Declines occur gradually, what's happened to Suarez this season isn't gradual.

He either:

a) Needs surgery for that knee

and/or

b) has become complacent mentally (guaranteed automatic starter) and physically (diet, fitness etc...) in terms of the level that is required of him and he needs serious kick in the ass.

 

[Raketa10]

Nobody just loses their talent and ability like what has been observed with Suarez this season. Declines occur gradually, what's happened to Suarez this season isn't gradual.

He either:

a) Needs surgery for that knee

and/or

b) has become complacent mentally (guaranteed automatic starter) and physically (diet, fitness etc...) in terms of the level that is required of him and he needs serious kick in the ass.

In either way this can not continue. If he needs surgery than do the surgery immediately if he is unfit than put him on the bench and force him to sort his head and fitness before he can play again! This situation is bad for both Barca and him! He will be 31y old in 2 months so he is not an "old player". I am sure that he has at least 2 more years of high level football in him but for sure not in his current shape!

We are all pissed but lets be honest, no one can decline so fast with no reason, something has to be wrong. There is no way a world class player can be so horrific if he is fit and healthy. Even if his position on the pitch in 4-4-2 system has something to do with it, it's for sure not the single reason for this.

I am almost sure that he still has some health issues which than reflect on his fitness level and mental shape. If some of you played football and had some irritating injury you probably know how much can that effect your performance, if you play in constant pain there is no way you can perform well.

 

[MessiCam]

In either way this can not continue. If he needs surgery than do the surgery immediately if he is unfit than put him on the bench and force him to sort his head and fitness before he can play again! This situation is bad for both Barca and him! He will be 31y old in 2 months so he is not an "old player". I am sure that he has at least 2 more years of high level football in him but for sure not in his current shape!

We are all pissed but lets be honest, no one can decline so fast with no reason, something has to be wrong. There is no way a world class player can be so horrific if he is fit and healthy. Even if his position on the pitch in 4-4-2 system has something to do with it, it's for sure not the single reason for this. I am almost sure that he still has some health issues which than reflect on his fitness level and mental shape.

I think it has escaped some that Suarez has been on a steady decline since the second half of last season... From January onward.

This is nothing new.

 

[Raketa10]

I think it has escaped some that Suarez has been on a steady decline since the second half of last season... From January onward.

This is nothing new.

Yeah but this is FREE FALL type of decline, it's not gradual. It's like falling from a cliff. No way he would be this bad if everything was OK.
He was among top 3 players in the world 2 years ago, so yes you can decline, but to decline in a way you look like an amateur while you are perfectly healthy and fit sorry but that's not possible. Name just one case when something like this happened to a world class player in such a short period.

 

[Raki13]

Its a disgrace that a team like Barca doesnt have decent backup strikers , club is being run by fools.

 

[MessiCam]

Yeah but this is FREE FALL type of decline, it's not gradual. It's like falling from a cliff. No way he would be this bad if everything was OK.
He was among top 3 players in the world 2 years ago, so yes you can decline, but to decline in a way you look like an amateur while you are perfectly healthy and fit sorry but that's not possible. Name just one case when something like this happened to a world class player in such a short period.

Torres.